On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.

Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.




http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/to...rk-Red-Bus.htm

On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:35:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.

I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for. ;-)
There was a gang hanging around when he raised the hood.
I guess if I knew more about it I would have looked harder and you can
be sure I would have taken more pictures. It makes my wife nuts.
"What are you taking a picture of now"? ;-)

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 8:52:29 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 4:25 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/8/2018 2:03 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was
going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's
"muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model
Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags,
crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts.
Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some
resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings.
No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a
daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck,
but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was
a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and
we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal..


The 1955 Ford F-100 I had was built on a Mustang chassis, complete with
a HO 302.


The only classic truck to own, of course, is an early to mid 1930s Model
A Ford with the flathead V8.


Of course, your daddy gave you one.



No, **** for brains, but he had one at the boat showroom yard, with a
crane on the back end and a heavy iron weight on the front end. He used
it to lift boats off the manufacturers' delivery trucks and onto the
showroom dollies and wheeled racks. I drove the truck around the yard
from time to time. I don't recall why, but it wasn't "street"
registered. Its body was in decent shape and he had it painted up
nicely. Of course, I knew who my father was...unlike you.


My dad, his brothers and my mothers brothers all served in the U S
military. Got any US military heros in your family?

My uncle who I never got to meet served in the army in WWII and was killed
in Italy. I don’t know if he was a hero. My father and his brother made
experimental shell casings in their machine shop in New Haven under
contract to the Anaconda corporation in Waterbury. They got some sort of
award for their work from the feds. A great uncle who I met a couple of
times when I was a grade schooler served in Korea. He became a hero after
his return as a city firenan.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

I am sure there was a large demand for 'firenans' especially after the Korean war. Tell us, Herr Krause, did your great-uncle enjoy slaughtering those innocent Korean children who had no quarrel with the United States? Or was he a coward like you who helped the United States lose the campaign?

Both?

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 6:29:45 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/8/18 4:25 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/8/2018 2:03 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was
going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's
"muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model
Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags,
crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts.
Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some
resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings.
No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a
daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck,
but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was
a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and
we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal.


The 1955 Ford F-100 I had was built on a Mustang chassis, complete with
a HO 302.


The only classic truck to own, of course, is an early to mid 1930s Model
A Ford with the flathead V8.


Of course, your daddy gave you one.



No, **** for brains, but he had one at the boat showroom yard, with a
crane on the back end and a heavy iron weight on the front end. He used
it to lift boats off the manufacturers' delivery trucks and onto the
showroom dollies and wheeled racks. I drove the truck around the yard
from time to time. I don't recall why, but it wasn't "street"
registered. Its body was in decent shape and he had it painted up
nicely. Of course, I knew who my father was...unlike you.

So you know who your father was, eh? Let us guess. The Milkman? Postman? Paperboy, or Pizza delivery boy? There is a 25 percent chance of nailing it.

wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:35:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.

I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for. ;-)
There was a gang hanging around when he raised the hood.
I guess if I knew more about it I would have looked harder and you can
be sure I would have taken more pictures. It makes my wife nuts.
"What are you taking a picture of now"? ;-)


They will run on propane, but driver said none available on West Side of
Glacier.

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:46:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:35:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.

I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for. ;-)
There was a gang hanging around when he raised the hood.
I guess if I knew more about it I would have looked harder and you can
be sure I would have taken more pictures. It makes my wife nuts.
"What are you taking a picture of now"? ;-)


They will run on propane, but driver said none available on West Side of
Glacier.

I am actually getting to know about propane. If it was 1974 when
propane was cheaper than gas and available everywhere I would convert
everything I have (I looked at it then). The conversion is stupid
simple. It is just something similar to a SCUBA regulator looking at
manifold vacuum from the extra venturi you add. It is not unlike how a
carburetor works. If someone would give me the ECU flash for an EFI,
it would even be reasonable for a car if propane was cheaper.
My bet, the conversion on the White is about like the one on my 5.5KW
briggs.
I am really ****ed I did not elbow my way up to the front and take
some pictures.
I guess I am pussy whipped
When I was 30 that was an insult. In your 60-70s it is a compliment
;-)