2:51 PMKeyser Soze
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.. I can see how
you two, Johnny the Racist or Chubby Hubby Timmy, wouldn't know that,
though, since you like the superheavy Avoirdupois Bikes.
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How did I get dragged into your idiotic sixth grader fart excuse of a response?

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


2:51 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
. I can see how
you two, Johnny the Racist or Chubby Hubby Timmy, wouldn't know that,
though, since you like the superheavy Avoirdupois Bikes.
——————

How did I get dragged into your idiotic sixth grader fart excuse of a response?

Especially as neither the Mille GT nor the Stone are superheavy bikes. I'm thinking the
'Avoirdupois' part was just show off with no meaning.

wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

On 8/8/18 4:25 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/8/2018 2:03 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was
going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's
"muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model
Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags,
crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts.
Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some
resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings.
No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a
daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck,
but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was
a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and
we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal.


The 1955 Ford F-100 I had was built on a Mustang chassis, complete with
a HO 302.


The only classic truck to own, of course, is an early to mid 1930s Model
A Ford with the flathead V8.


Of course, your daddy gave you one.



No, **** for brains, but he had one at the boat showroom yard, with a
crane on the back end and a heavy iron weight on the front end. He used
it to lift boats off the manufacturers' delivery trucks and onto the
showroom dollies and wheeled racks. I drove the truck around the yard
from time to time. I don't recall why, but it wasn't "street"
registered. Its body was in decent shape and he had it painted up
nicely. Of course, I knew who my father was...unlike you.

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck, but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal.

Yup that is basically the Town Car and the MKX she has now. Just a
different jacket on the outside.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:04:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:57:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

Here ya go - upgraded engine, interior, and suspension. Good lookin' too!

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...3100/101010235

Nice but not what we are talking about. She wants all of her lincoln
doodads and a modern drive train, ride and safety under an old pickup
body.

True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 09:39:44 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/8/18 7:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/7/2018 7:53 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 19:37:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/7/2018 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:26:32 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 16:42:55 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:53:59 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
...wish I'd seen this video a few years back when I dropped the
Mille at a MacDonalds!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyWpIKC_Br8
I saw a guy do that once because the kick stand collapsed, so he
picked it up just to have it keel over the other side.....
I posted a video of that here a while back. Funny as hell, but I
think the guy must have been drunk.

When I dropped mine, it dropped on the kickstand side. Whoops!
Harleys have a real bad habit of going over on the kickstand side if
you park in the grass. That is why guys carry a little block of wood
to put under the kick stand..


Any bike will tip over if the kickstand pushes through soft soil, even
my little 150 cc scooter.

The scooter gave me the itch though. Bought a used Suzuki C50T to ride
(drive?) :-} around on. Decent bike ... not anywhere near as heavy as
the last two Harleys that I had. This one weighs in at just about 600
lbs wet. The Harley's were about 900 lbs. It also has a lower CG.
Congrats! Looks like a mean machine. Not wild about the style, but I'm
just not a cruiser guy. What
year, how many miles...got a picture?

Should we open up the 'countersteering' discussion again?


It's a 2008 with 16,000 miles on it. 805 cc. Not as big and heavy as
the two Harley Ultra Classics I had and the biggest thing I noticed
right away (besides the lighter weight) was the lower center of gravity.
Looks just like the image at the link (below) except it's a metallic
charcoal with black trim instead of all black. I also removed the
driver backrest which I didn't like. Mrs.E likes it because she can go
for rides with me once in a while. My brother has owned an older
version of the C50 (2004) and it has been trouble free in the 14 years
that he has had it.

https://latelifebiker.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/the-black-beauty-med.jpg


It doesn't have the "balls" that the Harleys had but it has more than
enough for me with my wife on board. Of course the Harley engines were
almost twice the size at 1584 cc and my last one was a 6 speed whereas
the Suzuki has 5. It's water cooled as well which I like.

I really didn't have any intention of buying another motorcycle but the
day I went to the dealer to pick up the little scooter I happened to see
this one sitting in the shop and it caught my attention. Went home,
rode the scooter around for a couple of weeks and decided to go back and
try out the Suzuki. They made me a offer that I couldn't refuse
so now I have both the scooter and the bike.

It's history is kinda funny. It was purchased new in 2008 by a guy in
his mid 40's. He recently moved to an apartment in Boston and didn't
have a place to easily store it so he traded it in on a scooter
identical to the one I bought for commuting in the city.



How does your wife get up on that passenger seat? It looks pretty high up...

I had a Mini Cooper S with a smaller engine than the 1584 cc's in your
Harley...it was a 1275 cc and I think the entire car weighed about 1300
pounds...four speed tranny.

My first car was a 1962 Morris 850 Station Wagon.
Yes...it had an 850 cc engine.

One of my boats has a 8200 cc engine and it's only 14 feet long.

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 7:55:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:04:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:57:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

Here ya go - upgraded engine, interior, and suspension. Good lookin' too!

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...3100/101010235

Nice but not what we are talking about. She wants all of her lincoln
doodads and a modern drive train, ride and safety under an old pickup
body.

Good luck with that. You can get ABS, traction and stability control, and a modern drive train and suspension, but the crumple zones/bumpers, anti-intrusion beams, and air bags with auto-tightening seat belts are a whole lot more difficult if not impossible (at least crazy money). Oh, and auto multi-zone climate control? Jay Leno might have trouble pulling all that together.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 4:25 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/8/2018 2:03 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was
going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's
"muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model
Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags,
crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts.
Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some
resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings.
No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a
daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck,
but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was
a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and
we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal.


The 1955 Ford F-100 I had was built on a Mustang chassis, complete with
a HO 302.


The only classic truck to own, of course, is an early to mid 1930s Model
A Ford with the flathead V8.


Of course, your daddy gave you one.



No, **** for brains, but he had one at the boat showroom yard, with a
crane on the back end and a heavy iron weight on the front end. He used
it to lift boats off the manufacturers' delivery trucks and onto the
showroom dollies and wheeled racks. I drove the truck around the yard
from time to time. I don't recall why, but it wasn't "street"
registered. Its body was in decent shape and he had it painted up
nicely. Of course, I knew who my father was...unlike you.


My dad, his brothers and my mothers brothers all served in the U S
military. Got any US military heros in your family?
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justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 4:25 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/8/18 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/8/2018 2:03 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was
going to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's
"muscle car" to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model
Corolla or similar. That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags,
crumple zones, door beams, etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts.
Plus the brakes and handling aren't very good unless you do some
resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings.
No way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a
daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)

I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. It was a late 50's Ford truck,
but when I looked into the front wheel well it was obvious that it was
a late model chassis. About then the guy walked out of the store and
we talked. It was a Crown Vic chassis under the truck sheet metal.


The 1955 Ford F-100 I had was built on a Mustang chassis, complete with
a HO 302.


The only classic truck to own, of course, is an early to mid 1930s Model
A Ford with the flathead V8.


Of course, your daddy gave you one.



No, **** for brains, but he had one at the boat showroom yard, with a
crane on the back end and a heavy iron weight on the front end. He used
it to lift boats off the manufacturers' delivery trucks and onto the
showroom dollies and wheeled racks. I drove the truck around the yard
from time to time. I don't recall why, but it wasn't "street"
registered. Its body was in decent shape and he had it painted up
nicely. Of course, I knew who my father was...unlike you.


My dad, his brothers and my mothers brothers all served in the U S
military. Got any US military heros in your family?

My uncle who I never got to meet served in the army in WWII and was killed
in Italy. I don’t know if he was a hero. My father and his brother made
experimental shell casings in their machine shop in New Haven under
contract to the Anaconda corporation in Waterbury. They got some sort of
award for their work from the feds. A great uncle who I met a couple of
times when I was a grade schooler served in Korea. He became a hero after
his return as a city firenan.

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