On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:32:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good
enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for
the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.



http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg



Universal truth from a single observation?


Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five
years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that
time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up.
Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems.

I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately
after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has
treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods
of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little
Honda generator. Works for me.

Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on
the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the
scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas.

When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the
same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically
says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel
stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a
while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system including
the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle.

That is the good thing about being a regular boater. I always have
fresh gas around. My problem now is the cars. We don't drive enough
these days to keep the battery up on all 3 of them. I am not sure my
wife has been behind the wheel for a year.
I should sell one I guess.

Battery Tender works well on autos also.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but
is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a hill so
no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should
have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power
twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work
is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so
really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without
electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank.* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

John H
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

.........


John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....

On 9/14/18 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

........


John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....




Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
Doesn't your idiot buddy Johnny**** carry or use a generator in his
motel room on wheels? Can't he put his dog or wife on a treadmill to
generate whatever electricity he needs, and can't he poop in the woods?

Leaving the water trickling isn't much of a solution when the water in
the pipes comes from a well that has a 220 volt pump motor 225 feet
underground.

When we build our next house, we'll have a propane-fueled permanent
generator there, too.

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
........


Because you can’t survive without it?

Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
.......


Because you can’t survive without it?


Why would we want to?

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:29:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

........


John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....

I reckon you're correct!

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

........


John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....




Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
Doesn't your idiot buddy Johnny**** carry or use a generator in his
motel room on wheels? Can't he put his dog or wife on a treadmill to
generate whatever electricity he needs, and can't he poop in the woods?

Leaving the water trickling isn't much of a solution when the water in
the pipes comes from a well that has a 220 volt pump motor 225 feet
underground.

When we build our next house, we'll have a propane-fueled permanent
generator there, too.

If you had balls, you'd ask me yourself!

Didn't mean to **** you off so badly. :)

Keyser Söze
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Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
.......


Because you can’t survive without it?


Why would we want to?

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........,

In other words you’d rather die then be without it...

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/14/18 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.

........


John, some people don?t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....




Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?
Doesn't your idiot buddy Johnny**** carry or use a generator in his
motel room on wheels? Can't he put his dog or wife on a treadmill to
generate whatever electricity he needs, and can't he poop in the woods?

Leaving the water trickling isn't much of a solution when the water in
the pipes comes from a well that has a 220 volt pump motor 225 feet
underground.

When we build our next house, we'll have a propane-fueled permanent
generator there, too.


I had no idea Karen had plans to relocate you into a new house.
Congratulations on your good fortune.
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