On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:07:21 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

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On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:14:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water, which
most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.


Most of our lakes have really long ramps. When over the years we have
400? level changes, requires long ramps.

When we were at lake powell they going to have to put in a new ramp.
The one they had dead ended up on the beach.


The ramp at Antelope point looked to be 1/2 mile long, and steep.
It's nothing for Lake Powell to rise or fall 50 feet. That area
is one of our favorites.

This is the ramp I was talking about from an old aerial picture. You
see them adding another 100' or more to it.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/ramp%20powell.jpg

Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.
Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same. Scouring is bad anytime.

Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.


I do too, with one of my boats, but my prop is above the water so no
damage is done.

wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:14:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water, which
most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.


Most of our lakes have really long ramps. When over the years we have
400’ level changes, requires long ramps.

When we were at lake powell they going to have to put in a new ramp.
The one they had dead ended up on the beach.


The one at Lake Berryessa was built when the lake was first filling. I
think the lake is 7-800’ deep now. Lake Oroville, the one with the Billion
$$$$ spillway repair, has the main ramp about 1000’ Long, and when the lake
is down 300’ or so, they have a secondary pave$ ramp and at -400’ a gravel
ramp.

wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:55:30 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:18:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water,
which most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.

Then your ramp didn't extend far enough into the water to prevent
scouring. Granted, a ridiculously
long ramp might be necessary, but eventually the force of the water has
to subside. Rip rap would
help, or maybe a big upright lip at the end of the concrete ramp to
change the flow direction.

Here they put up signs on the ramps. It helps, but there's always some
assholes who can't read - or
are just too lazy to use their winch.

We have a ridiculously long ramp and it still blows out. That just
ends up being the perfect chute for the water. That is why I think the
rip rap works. It breaks up the flow.
Right now they aren't doing anything because I am the only one who
really understands the problem and nobody believes me. I may have to
take my Hookah and my Go Pro down there and make a movie.

Why not use the winch? Problem solved.


Steep ramps, breaking winch straps, easy.

You need a better strap or use a cable.


Seems as if the straps seem to be Chinese junk these days, have broke two
in the last two years. Hate the cable as they always fray and loose wires
cut and hurt.

wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:07:21 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:14:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water, which
most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.


Most of our lakes have really long ramps. When over the years we have
400? level changes, requires long ramps.

When we were at lake powell they going to have to put in a new ramp.
The one they had dead ended up on the beach.


The ramp at Antelope point looked to be 1/2 mile long, and steep.
It's nothing for Lake Powell to rise or fall 50 feet. That area
is one of our favorites.

This is the ramp I was talking about from an old aerial picture. You
see them adding another 100' or more to it.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/ramp%20powell.jpg


Picture of the Oroville Ramp.

https://www.chicoer.com/2018/01/30/o...p-reassurance/

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 19:29:47 -0400, Alex wrote:

Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.
Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same. Scouring is bad anytime.

Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.


I do too, with one of my boats, but my prop is above the water so no
damage is done.

If the ramp is long enough that nobody drops a trailer wheel into the
hole they don't know the end is blown out. The problem arises when
that last slab starts falling into the hole. If you are lucky you just
get a steeper ramp right at the end. Worst case is the last slab tilts
up and you have a huge speed bump there or it starts breaking up. It
might also slide into the hole making a gap. They are supposed to tie
all of the slabs together but usually after a while that steel just
rusts away.

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 00:02:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:55:30 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:18:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water,
which most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.

Then your ramp didn't extend far enough into the water to prevent
scouring. Granted, a ridiculously
long ramp might be necessary, but eventually the force of the water has
to subside. Rip rap would
help, or maybe a big upright lip at the end of the concrete ramp to
change the flow direction.

Here they put up signs on the ramps. It helps, but there's always some
assholes who can't read - or
are just too lazy to use their winch.

We have a ridiculously long ramp and it still blows out. That just
ends up being the perfect chute for the water. That is why I think the
rip rap works. It breaks up the flow.
Right now they aren't doing anything because I am the only one who
really understands the problem and nobody believes me. I may have to
take my Hookah and my Go Pro down there and make a movie.

Why not use the winch? Problem solved.


Steep ramps, breaking winch straps, easy.

You need a better strap or use a cable.


Seems as if the straps seem to be Chinese junk these days, have broke two
in the last two years. Hate the cable as they always fray and loose wires
cut and hurt.

You can buy just about any kind of webbing you want these days so
finding something U/V protected (what usually kills straps) and of
sufficient strength is just up to your google skills.
I bought some 3" nylon for the Ed Labrador Memorial bridge that would
pick most trailer boats straight up from a crane. It think it is
15,000 pounds or something. It was way more than I needed but the
price was right. (Ebay)
This stuff looks like a seat belt but thicker and wider.

wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 00:02:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:55:30 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:18:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:17:53 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Since it might be my last time out this year, I decided to head out to
Grand Lake to flush the 3.0 MerCruiser and lower end with clean fresh water.
Bit of a mistake...the rig parking area was chock full with trucks and
boat trailers with the overflow area a bit of a hike away.
Turns out it was some kind of fishing tournament with about 36 boats
registered to participate. We got there around 1300 hrs and one of the
fishermen told us the tournament ran till 1530 hrs. That limited us to
about an hour and a half on the lake. Glad it was a big lake by local
standards with these high powered bass type boats roaring along from
position to position..then stopping to fish..sometimes in my way. I
didn't want to pass too close while they were fishing. The lake surface
was great and quite smooth until be bounced ov er wake after wake.
anyyway, came back early to beat most of them but by the time I walked
up, goy my rig and waited in line for the double ramp there must have
been 20 to 30 boaats all milligg around the small dock..which I was
hogging with the bow rider.I must admit, they were quite efficient
recovering their boats..they would nose up to the dock..one guy would
jump off to get the rig and the boat would back out to let someone else
do the same. Only bad thing was they all seemed to power up on their
trailers..moving the rocks at the submerged end of the ramp. This
wouldn't be so bad in the spring but with the lake down a couple of feet
or so...even I had to carefully back the trailer wheels to the very edge
which had the water half cover my bunks. Anyway, mission
accomplished...burned up some gas and flushed everything out.

Powering a boat up onto the trailer scours the lake bed at the end of the
ramp. You'd think the
idiots up there would know better. I hope you don't do the same.
Scouring is bad anytime.


Most of us do that. Maybe we build better Ramps here.

Shame on you. Although if the ramps extend far enough under water,
which most don't, then powering
up shouldn't be a problem.

That is not really true. When we rebuilt our ramp we actually extended
it 12' farther than what the builder recommended (pavement is 5' deep
at the end at dead low tide, 35' from the water's edge) and the end is
still blown out. We are still debating about what to do but my
suggestion is to fill the hole with bowling ball sized rip rap stone,
When you power load, the water will follow the ramp, no matter how
long it is and wash out the end. My thinking is the rip rap will break
up that flow. Our previous ramp had about 80 bags of concrete placed
down there dry and allowed to cure. That seemed to mitigate the blow
out problem.

Then your ramp didn't extend far enough into the water to prevent
scouring. Granted, a ridiculously
long ramp might be necessary, but eventually the force of the water has
to subside. Rip rap would
help, or maybe a big upright lip at the end of the concrete ramp to
change the flow direction.

Here they put up signs on the ramps. It helps, but there's always some
assholes who can't read - or
are just too lazy to use their winch.

We have a ridiculously long ramp and it still blows out. That just
ends up being the perfect chute for the water. That is why I think the
rip rap works. It breaks up the flow.
Right now they aren't doing anything because I am the only one who
really understands the problem and nobody believes me. I may have to
take my Hookah and my Go Pro down there and make a movie.

Why not use the winch? Problem solved.


Steep ramps, breaking winch straps, easy.

You need a better strap or use a cable.


Seems as if the straps seem to be Chinese junk these days, have broke two
in the last two years. Hate the cable as they always fray and loose wires
cut and hurt.

You can buy just about any kind of webbing you want these days so
finding something U/V protected (what usually kills straps) and of
sufficient strength is just up to your google skills.
I bought some 3" nylon for the Ed Labrador Memorial bridge that would
pick most trailer boats straight up from a crane. It think it is
15,000 pounds or something. It was way more than I needed but the
price was right. (Ebay)
This stuff looks like a seat belt but thicker and wider.


I may do that next. Company in the north bay makes rigging straps. If you
need to launch at Point Arena, have supply your own straps for the crane
launch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ozbHS...fauxfullscreen