The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:50:17 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

It will benefit the Fossil Fuel industry as much as anyone since a lot
of the "freight" is LNG but since the biggest winner is the freight
hauling companies in general and the biggest losers are the poor
people who live next to the train tracks at the expense of the federal
tax payers in general, I am surprised you are so happy about it.
I would think that just the fact that Rick Scott is for it would make
you against it.

On 10/2/18 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:50:17 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

It will benefit the Fossil Fuel industry as much as anyone since a lot
of the "freight" is LNG but since the biggest winner is the freight
hauling companies in general and the biggest losers are the poor
people who live next to the train tracks at the expense of the federal
tax payers in general, I am surprised you are so happy about it.
I would think that just the fact that Rick Scott is for it would make
you against it.


My comment stands. I don't follow Florida politics closely, and isn't
Scott someone you support, even though he is as big a crook as the POTUS
you support?

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:15:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:50:17 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

It will benefit the Fossil Fuel industry as much as anyone since a lot
of the "freight" is LNG but since the biggest winner is the freight
hauling companies in general and the biggest losers are the poor
people who live next to the train tracks at the expense of the federal
tax payers in general, I am surprised you are so happy about it.
I would think that just the fact that Rick Scott is for it would make
you against it.


My comment stands. I don't follow Florida politics closely, and isn't
Scott someone you support, even though he is as big a crook as the POTUS
you support?

Scott is stealing for us now ;-)

BTW isn't that the same kind of diversion you accuse me of?

As for your comment, it really stands for nothing.
I know, **** those poor black people next to the tracks, they should
have bought a house on Palm Beach and you like welfare, even when it
is corporate welfare for billion dollar companies.

On 10/2/18 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:15:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:50:17 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

It will benefit the Fossil Fuel industry as much as anyone since a lot
of the "freight" is LNG but since the biggest winner is the freight
hauling companies in general and the biggest losers are the poor
people who live next to the train tracks at the expense of the federal
tax payers in general, I am surprised you are so happy about it.
I would think that just the fact that Rick Scott is for it would make
you against it.


My comment stands. I don't follow Florida politics closely, and isn't
Scott someone you support, even though he is as big a crook as the POTUS
you support?

Scott is stealing for us now ;-)

BTW isn't that the same kind of diversion you accuse me of?

As for your comment, it really stands for nothing.
I know, **** those poor black people next to the tracks, they should
have bought a house on Palm Beach and you like welfare, even when it
is corporate welfare for billion dollar companies.


As I said, I don't follow Florida politics closely. As for new rail
lines, they tend to be built near or adjacent rail lines, or where there
are people or freight to be moved. I've not been interested enough in
your new rail line to look it up. Are you claiming the crossings near
the tracks are unguarded, with no clanging lights and bells and barriers
that come down?

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:46:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:15:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:50:17 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/1/18 7:35 PM, wrote:
The Bright line, Florida's swing at a "high speed train" from Miami to
Port Canaveral and eventually to Disney world is sputtering to life.
They are losing $300,000 a day with little hope of ever turning that
around. Those watching more closely say this was never really about a
passenger train, that they were just fishing for federal money to
improve the track so freight trains could go faster. Unfortunately
they still have to go through the motions of creating a passenger
train. The biggest problem really seems to be that all of the track
runs at grade, through fairly populated areas so the faster trains are
resulting in a lot more people getting hit by a train. It is unlikely
that there will ever actually be a high speed train on that track.
Where we might actually get a fast train is next to the Bee Line going
from DisneyWorld to the Disney Cruise docks but Disney won't be buying
it, the tax payer will. By linking the whole boondoggle together they
get the federal money..


How awful it is that there is infrastructure going up somewhere that
won't benefit you personally, eh?

It will benefit the Fossil Fuel industry as much as anyone since a lot
of the "freight" is LNG but since the biggest winner is the freight
hauling companies in general and the biggest losers are the poor
people who live next to the train tracks at the expense of the federal
tax payers in general, I am surprised you are so happy about it.
I would think that just the fact that Rick Scott is for it would make
you against it.


My comment stands. I don't follow Florida politics closely, and isn't
Scott someone you support, even though he is as big a crook as the POTUS
you support?

Scott is stealing for us now ;-)

BTW isn't that the same kind of diversion you accuse me of?

As for your comment, it really stands for nothing.
I know, **** those poor black people next to the tracks, they should
have bought a house on Palm Beach and you like welfare, even when it
is corporate welfare for billion dollar companies.


As I said, I don't follow Florida politics closely. As for new rail
lines, they tend to be built near or adjacent rail lines, or where there
are people or freight to be moved. I've not been interested enough in
your new rail line to look it up. Are you claiming the crossings near
the tracks are unguarded, with no clanging lights and bells and barriers
that come down?

Grade crossings, even with all of that, are still very dangerous but a
lot of these people, hit by trains, are on foot. This is running on an
existing low speed freight track and maybe people are just used to
getting across before the train gets there. I don't know.
It is clear this will never be the "high speed" train they promised
when they sold this boondoggle. They are just using the money to
upgrade the track so they can haul more freight.

This will never affect me because the train tracks here end up going
through brand new gated communities and those people are pressing hard
to limit the number and speed of the trains, not increase them.
I am not sure those people even knew how close they were to the trains
until they heard the whistle blow (pretty rare). They used to blow the
whistle at every grade crossing but they had to stop. Now the trains
are limited to about 5MPH for the whole run through San Carlos, Estero
and Bonita. It used to be 15 when my daughter got to run the train. At
that time, about all you could hit was a cow.