On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:34:56 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:51:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property.


President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,
including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the
fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York
Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made
billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New
York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax
returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the
equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate
empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge
taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise
millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews
show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper
tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy
to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions
of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those
properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue
Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump,
transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which
could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55
percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax
records show.
Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes
by contributing to charity.
Shame on me for taking the deduction!

Ditto. $7K last year.
I have taken the standard deduction for at least 20 years, probably
more like 24 when I paid off the mortgage on the condo. Every time the
IRS has had a problem with my return, they ended up giving me money. I
didn't claim enough.

I haven't taken the standard deduction in about 30 years. This year may
be the first. We'll see.


Since I own my house, and my income is pretty decent, I take the standard
deduction, as the medical costs do not reach the threshold.

I don't have anything that even comes close to reaching the threshold.
Even when I was running my business, I was on the standard deduction
since you can still use it along with your schedule C. That was one of
my audits. They really watch that closely. It turned out I was not
deducting enough on my schedule C and it triggered the audit. The IRS
guy was great and he actually helped me get extra money back by
walking me through the home office deduction. You can't deduct office
expenses without having an office. My "computer room" qualified.
(dedicated space, not used for anything else).

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:03:23 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:18:25 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/3/18 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:37:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property.



President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,
including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the
fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York
Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made
billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New
York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax
returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the
equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate
empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge
taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise
millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews
show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper
tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy
to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions
of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those
properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue
Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump,
transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which
could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55
percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax
records show.

Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity.
Shame on me for taking the deduction!

Harry would say you are establishing religion.

I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere.

The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their
contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3)
that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc)
Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries.
Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit
someone was promoting God


And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I
don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no
idea what I would "rather promote."

I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their
superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on
pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their
own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of
what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly
new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly
paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It
takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what
real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical
care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support.
One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and
bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church
whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their
anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming
elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the
unwanted children who result from their efforts.

And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what
churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and
don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe
differently or not at all.

Nice diversion into your atheism

And once again, you are confused by your lack of serious, formal
education. I am highly skeptical about the existence of a superior being
that goes beyond the imagination and superstition of humans. That makes
me agnostic, not an atheist.* I am, however, anti-religious. Religion is
based entirely upon superstition and passed-along folk tales. And, once
again, though you refuse to believe it...I don't care what religions do
in their churches with their crop of believers. I only care when they
attempt to push those beliefs onto society, onto those who believe
differently, and on those who don't believe at all.



* I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical
than religious beliefs.

Your atheism is as offensive to most people as religion is to you and
your cohorts certainly make plenty of public displays on public
property about it during your protests.
It has become a religion as much as any other.

I also reject the idea that you attending some tertiary institution
for a few years five decades ago makes you any smarter than me., You
have not seemed to learn much since.


~~Snerk~~!
I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with this post!

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/4/18 12:43 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:52:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 11:03 AM, wrote:

* I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical
than religious beliefs.

Your atheism is as offensive to most people as religion is to you and
your cohorts certainly make plenty of public displays on public
property about it during your protests.
It has become a religion as much as any other.

I also reject the idea that you attending some tertiary institution
for a few years five decades ago makes you any smarter than me., You
have not seemed to learn much since.


I've never said I was smarter than you. You're regressing into your
projections *again*.

You go out of your way to try to insult me just about every day.

To what protests of mine are you referring?

The people with signs and other props on public property protesting
just about anything remotely considered religious.



1. Likewise, but I've never claimed to be "smarter" than you. Stop
projecting.

2. Those aren't protests of mine. The last "protest" I attended was one
"favoring" the candidacy of Sarah Palin, and that was only to look at
the misspelled signs.




Not so. Remember the pink hat you wore and probably still wear.
What was that occasion?


I wasn't protesting. I was supporting women.

That's a change. You usually expect women to support you.

Hillarious!!

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:34:56 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:51:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property.


President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,
including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the
fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York
Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made
billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New
York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax
returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the
equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate
empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge
taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise
millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews
show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper
tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy
to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions
of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those
properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue
Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump,
transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which
could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55
percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax
records show.
Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes
by contributing to charity.
Shame on me for taking the deduction!

Ditto. $7K last year.
I have taken the standard deduction for at least 20 years, probably
more like 24 when I paid off the mortgage on the condo. Every time the
IRS has had a problem with my return, they ended up giving me money. I
didn't claim enough.

I haven't taken the standard deduction in about 30 years. This year may
be the first. We'll see.


Since I own my house, and my income is pretty decent, I take the standard
deduction, as the medical costs do not reach the threshold.

We own and have no mortgage payment. The big deductions are personal property tax, state tax, and
charities. We'll see how it goes this year. I'll still get my property and state tax deductions. Not
sure yet what will happen with charities. Putting money into the Virginia 529 for grandkids'
education saves a bunch on state taxes as it's all deductible.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/4/18 4:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:24:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 1:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:48:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 12:43 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:52:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 11:03 AM, wrote:

* I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical
than religious beliefs.

Your atheism is as offensive to most people as religion is to you and
your cohorts certainly make plenty of public displays on public
property about it during your protests.
It has become a religion as much as any other.

I also reject the idea that you attending some tertiary institution
for a few years five decades ago makes you any smarter than me., You
have not seemed to learn much since.


I've never said I was smarter than you. You're regressing into your
projections *again*.

You go out of your way to try to insult me just about every day.

To what protests of mine are you referring?

The people with signs and other props on public property protesting
just about anything remotely considered religious.



1. Likewise, but I've never claimed to be "smarter" than you. Stop
projecting.

2. Those aren't protests of mine. The last "protest" I attended was one
"favoring" the candidacy of Sarah Palin, and that was only to look at
the misspelled signs.




Not so. Remember the pink hat you wore and probably still wear.
What was that occasion?


I wasn't protesting. I was supporting women.

Uh Huh. Nice diversion. It was an anti Trump protest, no matter what
you rationalize away.
The only woman you were really supporting was Hillary and the fact
that you never accepted her loss.
Look at the bright side. In 25 months you can do it all again.


Your imagining what others are thinking just never ends. It's absurd.

This only had to do with what you just said and what you did. You said
you were not protesting yet you showed up at an anti trump protest and
even put on the pussy hat. (assuming that wasn't a lie)

I showed up to support my female friends and women in general.



So, you were actively participating in the protest.

wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:34:56 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:51:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property.


President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,
including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the
fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York
Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made
billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New
York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax
returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the
equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate
empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge
taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise
millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews
show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper
tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy
to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions
of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those
properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue
Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump,
transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which
could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55
percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax
records show.
Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes
by contributing to charity.
Shame on me for taking the deduction!

Ditto. $7K last year.
I have taken the standard deduction for at least 20 years, probably
more like 24 when I paid off the mortgage on the condo. Every time the
IRS has had a problem with my return, they ended up giving me money. I
didn't claim enough.

I haven't taken the standard deduction in about 30 years. This year may
be the first. We'll see.


Since I own my house, and my income is pretty decent, I take the standard
deduction, as the medical costs do not reach the threshold.

I don't have anything that even comes close to reaching the threshold.
Even when I was running my business, I was on the standard deduction
since you can still use it along with your schedule C. That was one of
my audits. They really watch that closely. It turned out I was not
deducting enough on my schedule C and it triggered the audit. The IRS
guy was great and he actually helped me get extra money back by
walking me through the home office deduction. You can't deduct office
expenses without having an office. My "computer room" qualified.
(dedicated space, not used for anything else).


My problems with the IRS were mostly IRS caused. Year 2000, I was one of
the 2% of the returns they lost. Still filed paper in those days. Twice
they have failed to credit me with a 1099 with withholding. Same company
both times.

Say what!
Y'all get to deduct your property and state taxes when doing federal tax?
No wonder y'all run around with over bloated trucks and campers.

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 17:12:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 4:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:24:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 1:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:48:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 12:43 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:52:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 11:03 AM, wrote:

* I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical
than religious beliefs.

Your atheism is as offensive to most people as religion is to you and
your cohorts certainly make plenty of public displays on public
property about it during your protests.
It has become a religion as much as any other.

I also reject the idea that you attending some tertiary institution
for a few years five decades ago makes you any smarter than me., You
have not seemed to learn much since.


I've never said I was smarter than you. You're regressing into your
projections *again*.

You go out of your way to try to insult me just about every day.

To what protests of mine are you referring?

The people with signs and other props on public property protesting
just about anything remotely considered religious.



1. Likewise, but I've never claimed to be "smarter" than you. Stop
projecting.

2. Those aren't protests of mine. The last "protest" I attended was one
"favoring" the candidacy of Sarah Palin, and that was only to look at
the misspelled signs.




Not so. Remember the pink hat you wore and probably still wear.
What was that occasion?


I wasn't protesting. I was supporting women.

Uh Huh. Nice diversion. It was an anti Trump protest, no matter what
you rationalize away.
The only woman you were really supporting was Hillary and the fact
that you never accepted her loss.
Look at the bright side. In 25 months you can do it all again.


Your imagining what others are thinking just never ends. It's absurd.

This only had to do with what you just said and what you did. You said
you were not protesting yet you showed up at an anti trump protest and
even put on the pussy hat. (assuming that wasn't a lie)

I showed up to support my female friends and women in general.

Support them in what? The protest they were staging.
If quibbling was a university course of study you would have a phD

On 10/4/18 6:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 17:12:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 4:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:24:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 1:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:48:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 12:43 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:52:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/18 11:03 AM, wrote:

* I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical
than religious beliefs.

Your atheism is as offensive to most people as religion is to you and
your cohorts certainly make plenty of public displays on public
property about it during your protests.
It has become a religion as much as any other.

I also reject the idea that you attending some tertiary institution
for a few years five decades ago makes you any smarter than me., You
have not seemed to learn much since.


I've never said I was smarter than you. You're regressing into your
projections *again*.

You go out of your way to try to insult me just about every day.

To what protests of mine are you referring?

The people with signs and other props on public property protesting
just about anything remotely considered religious.



1. Likewise, but I've never claimed to be "smarter" than you. Stop
projecting.

2. Those aren't protests of mine. The last "protest" I attended was one
"favoring" the candidacy of Sarah Palin, and that was only to look at
the misspelled signs.




Not so. Remember the pink hat you wore and probably still wear.
What was that occasion?


I wasn't protesting. I was supporting women.

Uh Huh. Nice diversion. It was an anti Trump protest, no matter what
you rationalize away.
The only woman you were really supporting was Hillary and the fact
that you never accepted her loss.
Look at the bright side. In 25 months you can do it all again.


Your imagining what others are thinking just never ends. It's absurd.

This only had to do with what you just said and what you did. You said
you were not protesting yet you showed up at an anti trump protest and
even put on the pussy hat. (assuming that wasn't a lie)

I showed up to support my female friends and women in general.

Support them in what? The protest they were staging.
If quibbling was a university course of study you would have a phD



I'm not going to enable your naivete.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property.



President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the
1990s,
including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the
fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New
York
Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made
billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the
legendary New
York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of
confidential tax
returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the
equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real
estate
empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his
parents dodge
taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise
millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and
interviews
show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take
improper
tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a
strategy
to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of
millions
of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those
properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue
Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary
Trump,
transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which
could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55
percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax
records show.

Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying
taxes by contributing to charity.
Shame on me for taking the deduction!

Harry would say you are establishing religion.

I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere.

The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their
contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3)
that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc)
Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries.
Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit
someone was promoting God


And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I
don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no
idea what I would "rather promote."

I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves,
their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they
do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider
themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly
large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here,
churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings,
with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even
airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that
sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor,
those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it
were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though,
is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other
day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its
acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to
attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of
what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from
their efforts.

And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what
churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves
and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe
differently or not at all.

You are incapable of debating anything, deadbeat.