On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:49:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:27:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/10/2018 1:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:44:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by
the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the climate
scientists are saying.

Perhaps we should be looking at what the economists and political
science people are saying. There are 4-5 billion people in the 3d
world who all want electricity, heat in the winter, A/C in the summer
and a car. No matter what we do, increased energy demand is coming.
Global warming is caused by population growth and upward mobility.
Do you think either will stop?
Of course it might.
I worry a lot more about nuclear winter than I do global warming.


As you are not a climate scientist and have absolutely no serious
scientific credentials in that field or any other scientific field, I'll
believe the climate scientists and other scientists. And what the latter
are doing includes trying to force us to develop and implement fossil
fuel alternatives and to cut back on the use of fossil fuels.


You are not a climate scientist either and have absolutely no
serious scientific credentials in that field. There are many
scientist *with* the proper credentials who argue that climate
change is a naturally occurring phenomena and mankind, as important
as we may thing we are, has very little to do with it.

As non-scientists we all have the right to believe what makes
logical sense to us.

You just happen to believe anything anybody tells you if it fits
with your general political views.

===

There is clear and convincing evidence that the planet is indeed
getting warmer. There is also a great deal of evidence that warm
cycles have occurred many times in the past, as well as cold cycles,
aka, the ice age. There have been serious scientific attempts,
through the study of core samples in ancient ice, to see if past
warming and cooling episodes correlated to levels of atmospheric
carbon dioxide. Apparently there is some evidence for that also. The
jury is still out on what caused these past fluctuations in CO2 but
it's fairly certain that it wasn't caused by the burning of fossil
fuels. There's a lot that is still unknown, that much is for sure.
Reducing our dependence on fossil fuels for energy production seems
like a good long term plan for many reasons however. Europe is way
ahead of us in harnessing wind power, and we are somewhat behind in
exploiting solar energy. But there are some encouraging signs that
we're making progress.

For anyone who doubts that the planet is getting warmer, I'd encourage
them to watch a documentary on Netflix called "Chasing Ice". It is
very well done, and watching huge glaciers disappear before your eyes
on time lapse photography will make a believer out of you. It is
totally apolitical and non-judgemental.

The problem for greenhouse gases is not what the 1st world does. It is
what the 3d world does and they have about 3/4ths of the world
population. If they keep burning rain forests, clearing grasslands for
agriculture or development and chasing the 1st world dream by using
exponentially more "dirty" energy, it really doesn't matter if we
throw a few Hummers into the volcano and put a solar panel on our
roof.

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers on and on...

True North wrote:Â*
The John flushes his head again.....Â*
Â*
"~~Snerk~~!Â*
I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with this post!Â*
Â*
Right, Don?"Â*
Â*
Â*
You wouldn't know right from write..or even White!Â*
Why do y'all keep copying my lines?Â*

"That was my line. Â*You stole it, dummy."

You couldn't come up with a line like that if you had a month of Sunday's to try.Â*

On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
schoolÂ* diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it.Â* And, of course, there is yourÂ* undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change.Â* It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming.Â* The bigger question is what makes some thinkÂ* we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.

On 10/10/18 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:16:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the climate
scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high school diploma,
coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you did, and local
building inspector, you know more than they do. I get it. And, of
course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental illnesses.


You have degrees in English. That’s it. Not meteorology, not mental
health, not science. Why do you think you are qualified to comment on
these subjects?

Harry is incapable of disputing the things I say so he dismisses me
personally flaunting a mediocre degree from a tertiary university 50
years ago.


As I have told you many times, I have no interest in debating with the
posters in rec.boats. Whatever you may think of my college degrees, at
least I have them.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:16:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the climate
scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high school diploma,
coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you did, and local
building inspector, you know more than they do. I get it. And, of
course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental illnesses.


You have degrees in English. That?s it. Not meteorology, not mental
health, not science. Why do you think you are qualified to comment on
these subjects?

Harry is incapable of disputing the things I say so he dismisses me
personally flaunting a mediocre degree from a tertiary university 50
years ago.


As I have told you many times, I have no interest in debating with the
posters in rec.boats. Whatever you may think of my college degrees, at
least I have them.


Oh boy.
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:32:10 -0400, wrote:

it really doesn't matter if we
throw a few Hummers into the volcano and put a solar panel on our
roof.

===

I agree but it's probably a step in the right direction. If nothing
else, it helps change our mindset and nudges technology along in the
right direction. Look at what's happening with electric cars. In
less than 10 years they have advanced from geek toys to very
respectable vehicles that will blow the doors off a 'vette at the drag
strip.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.


You are over medicated.
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:43:37 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:16:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the climate
scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high school diploma,
coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you did, and local
building inspector, you know more than they do. I get it. And, of
course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental illnesses.


You have degrees in English. That’s it. Not meteorology, not mental
health, not science. Why do you think you are qualified to comment on
these subjects?

Harry is incapable of disputing the things I say so he dismisses me
personally flaunting a mediocre degree from a tertiary university 50
years ago.


As I have told you many times, I have no interest in debating with the
posters in rec.boats. Whatever you may think of my college degrees, at
least I have them.

===

I think that we'd all concede that you are truly an educated fool.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:27:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/10/2018 1:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:44:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by
the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the climate
scientists are saying.

Perhaps we should be looking at what the economists and political
science people are saying. There are 4-5 billion people in the 3d
world who all want electricity, heat in the winter, A/C in the summer
and a car. No matter what we do, increased energy demand is coming.
Global warming is caused by population growth and upward mobility.
Do you think either will stop?
Of course it might.
I worry a lot more about nuclear winter than I do global warming.


As you are not a climate scientist and have absolutely no serious
scientific credentials in that field or any other scientific field, I'll
believe the climate scientists and other scientists. And what the latter
are doing includes trying to force us to develop and implement fossil
fuel alternatives and to cut back on the use of fossil fuels.


You are not a climate scientist either and have absolutely no
serious scientific credentials in that field. There are many
scientist *with* the proper credentials who argue that climate
change is a naturally occurring phenomena and mankind, as important
as we may thing we are, has very little to do with it.

As non-scientists we all have the right to believe what makes
logical sense to us.

You just happen to believe anything anybody tells you if it fits
with your general political views.

===

There is clear and convincing evidence that the planet is indeed
getting warmer. There is also a great deal of evidence that warm
cycles have occurred many times in the past, as well as cold cycles,
aka, the ice age. There have been serious scientific attempts,
through the study of core samples in ancient ice, to see if past
warming and cooling episodes correlated to levels of atmospheric
carbon dioxide. Apparently there is some evidence for that also. The
jury is still out on what caused these past fluctuations in CO2 but
it's fairly certain that it wasn't caused by the burning of fossil
fuels. There's a lot that is still unknown, that much is for sure.
Reducing our dependence on fossil fuels for energy production seems
like a good long term plan for many reasons however. Europe is way
ahead of us in harnessing wind power, and we are somewhat behind in
exploiting solar energy. But there are some encouraging signs that
we're making progress.

For anyone who doubts that the planet is getting warmer, I'd encourage
them to watch a documentary on Netflix called "Chasing Ice". It is
very well done, and watching huge glaciers disappear before your eyes
on time lapse photography will make a believer out of you. It is
totally apolitical and non-judgemental.


10,000 years ago, Yosemite valley was a mile deep in ice. Been somewhat
warming since then. Interesting when we were in Waterton Park, the guide
on the cruise boat told us the glaciers in both Waterton and Glacier
National Park, that are disappearing were only from the 1800’s. Not
ancient times.