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On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry. Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. |
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On 10/22/2018 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. Carbon dioxide is a natural fertilizer and it's increase in the atmosphere is improving new growth, especially in areas that have been over-harvested. New growth uses carbon dioxide and releases O2 to replace it. Naturally occurring cycle that is beneficial to planet Earth. There's another reason it causes what is referred to as the "Greenhouse effect". You ignore the financial reasons many scientists support the government's line. They'd be out of a job if they didn't. |
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On 10/22/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. He's a paid hack, in the employ, as it were, of the fossil fuel industry. That's what he said, even if he didn't say it it directly. |
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On 10/22/18 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/22/2018 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. Carbon dioxide is a natural fertilizer and it's increase in the atmosphere is improving new growth, especially in areas that have been over-harvested.Â* New growth uses carbon dioxide and releases O2 to replace it.Â* Naturally occurring cycle that is beneficial to planet Earth.Â* There's another reason it causes what is referred to as the "Greenhouse effect". You ignore the financial reasons many scientists support the government's line.Â* They'd be out of a job if they didn't. You ignore the reasons why Michaels supports the fossil fuel company propaganda. He'd be contract-less without them. And you admit you watch Mark Levin. Sheesh. |
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On 10/22/2018 8:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/22/18 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. Carbon dioxide is a natural fertilizer and it's increase in the atmosphere is improving new growth, especially in areas that have been over-harvested.Â* New growth uses carbon dioxide and releases O2 to replace it.Â* Naturally occurring cycle that is beneficial to planet Earth.Â* There's another reason it causes what is referred to as the "Greenhouse effect". You ignore the financial reasons many scientists support the government's line.Â* They'd be out of a job if they didn't. You ignore theÂ* reasonsÂ* why Michaels supports the fossil fuel company propaganda. He'd be contract-less without them. And you admit you watch Mark Levin. Sheesh. I've seen Levin occasionally on weekends when watching TV in bed with the sleep timer on. I am not afraid of listening to many points of view on various subjects because I've never been brainwashed by a particular political agenda as you obviously have. I am a registered Independent. The only thing that has caused me to become more supportive of Republican candidates has been the conduct and actions of lock-step Democrats who have offered absolutely nothing in terms of addressing this country's problems and issues but rather have focused on anti-Trump, anti-Republican acquisitions and personal attacks. We've never seen anything like this before. I have little respect for the actions of your party. Sorry. |
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On 10/22/2018 8:46 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/22/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. He's a paid hack, in the employ, as it were, of the fossil fuel industry. That's what he said, even if he didn'tÂ* say it it directly. If so, he makes more sense than the liberal paid hacks that receive government funding for their livelihood. |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:13:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day. Thats 876,000 gallons per year, enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why. I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualified climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. He offered very interesting facts and rebuttals to the claims of the doom and gloom aspects of climate change that are so widely spread by scientists. He doesn't deny the fact that climate change exists but insists that it's a naturally occurring process that actually has benefits to the balance of nature on the planet. For example, the higher levels of CO2 (greenhouse effect) is promoting the new "green" growth on earth with the most visible affects being the rain forests that have been destroyed by mankind over the years. The greenhouse effect is also promoting grassland and grazing fields in areas that have become dry and barren over the years. He points to a study consisting of 32 world scientists representing many nations and their predictions of global warming. The problem is that the average of all these predictions are at least 10 times higher than what has actually happend, based on real measurements. He also gave a history lesson as to why the federal government has become the main source of funding for these research programs. It was following WWII and the development of the atomic bomb. Before he died Roosevelt recognized the benefit of having key scientists addressing a problem and promoted the establishment of a federally financed Academy of Science. Thus began the government funding of grants, etc. The problem is that (according to Michaels) the government ends up putting a bias on what the results of these scientific studies produce and the scientists feel compelled to support the government's position in order to continue receiving funding. He pointed out a 2014 study about hurricanes for example. Much is talked about in scientific groups and then repeated by the media that global warming is causing storms like hurricanes to become more frequent and increasing in strength. The 2014 report he cited contained data from 1980 to 2009 and showed a general strengthening of hurricanes during that period that supports the global warming argument. But then he pointed out that those years were "cherry picked" to produce the results wanted. The report was released in 2014 yet the data used started in 1980 and ended in 2009. Reason? Because if you include data from 2009 to 2014 or any data prior to 1980, the results indicate that overall the hurricane strength has not changed at all. Here's some of his credentials: https://www.cato.org/people/patrick-michaels Very interesting, thanks. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day. Thats 876,000 gallons per year, enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why. I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualified climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. He offered very interesting facts and rebuttals to the claims of the doom and gloom aspects of climate change that are so widely spread by scientists. He doesn't deny the fact that climate change exists but insists that it's a naturally occurring process that actually has benefits to the balance of nature on the planet. For example, the higher levels of CO2 (greenhouse effect) is promoting the new "green" growth on earth with the most visible affects being the rain forests that have been destroyed by mankind over the years. The greenhouse effect is also promoting grassland and grazing fields in areas that have become dry and barren over the years. He points to a study consisting of 32 world scientists representing many nations and their predictions of global warming. The problem is that the average of all these predictions are at least 10 times higher than what has actually happend, based on real measurements. He also gave a history lesson as to why the federal government has become the main source of funding for these research programs. It was following WWII and the development of the atomic bomb. Before he died Roosevelt recognized the benefit of having key scientists addressing a problem and promoted the establishment of a federally financed Academy of Science. Thus began the government funding of grants, etc. The problem is that (according to Michaels) the government ends up putting a bias on what the results of these scientific studies produce and the scientists feel compelled to support the government's position in order to continue receiving funding. He pointed out a 2014 study about hurricanes for example. Much is talked about in scientific groups and then repeated by the media that global warming is causing storms like hurricanes to become more frequent and increasing in strength. The 2014 report he cited contained data from 1980 to 2009 and showed a general strengthening of hurricanes during that period that supports the global warming argument. But then he pointed out that those years were "cherry picked" to produce the results wanted. The report was released in 2014 yet the data used started in 1980 and ended in 2009. Reason? Because if you include data from 2009 to 2014 or any data prior to 1980, the results indicate that overall the hurricane strength has not changed at all. Here's some of his credentials: https://www.cato.org/people/patrick-michaels I think Wayne is high on the 200 gallons an hour. More like a little less than 60 gallons an hour looking at industry charts. As to the climate change, 10,000 years ago, we were still in an Ice Age. The Glacier National Park glaciers were formed in the 1800’s mini ice age. Just goes to show climate is not static. Man has added to global warming, just because there are so many of us. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/22/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. He's a paid hack, in the employ, as it were, of the fossil fuel industry. That's what he said, even if he didn't say it it directly. So the other “ climatologists “ are not in the employ of a biased money funding group? |
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On 10/22/18 11:59 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/22/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/22/2018 5:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:29:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:00:38 -0400, John H. wrote: Interesting. Haven't checked all the facts yet. http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdxT.jpg (Mainly a test of my new image display link - thanks to Luddite.) === Unfortunately I believe the assertion with that picture is total BS. It's my understanding that a typical wind mill produces the same electrical power as a 2,000 horsepower diesel generator that would burn approximately 100 gallons of diesel fuel per hour, 2400 gallons per day.Â* Thats 876,000 gallons per year,Â* enough diesel fuel to fill a mile of railroad tanker cars - way more than would be needed to produce the steel in the windmill. Some of the fake news floating around about wind power is just astounding and makes me wonder who is behind it and why.Â* I suppose the usual suspects would be the petro industry. Haven't checked those facts either. I watched an interview with Dr. Patrick Michaels last night on Mark Levin's Sunday evening show, "Life, Liberty and Levin". Michaels is a highly qualifiedÂ* climatologist with academic and professional experience that would even impress Harry. Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot conspirationalist and Michaels is a paid hack for the fossil fuel industry and the Cato Institute, which, by the way, is a libertarian front for the right-wing Koch brothers. One would not expect any of them to be supportive of the prevailing facts and theories on climate change and its causes. Some 98% of climate scientists believe that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities, in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane. I didn't expect anything less from you Harry.Â* Try to ignore your political brainwashing for a moment and consider what he said. He's a paid hack, in the employ, as it were, of the fossil fuel industry. That's what he said, even if he didn't say it it directly. So the other “ climatologists “ are not in the employ of a biased money funding group? About 98% of scientists are on the side in opposition to the beliefs of Michaels, and most of them wouldn't appear on a show hosted by the crackpot Mark Levin. |
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