To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 23:15:14 -0400, wrote:

To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)


===

'Airree's being held for ransom but no one wants him back. :-)

Which BT headset did you get?

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 23:15:14 -0400, wrote:

To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)


===

'Airree's being held for ransom but no one wants him back. :-)

Which BT headset did you get?

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The one John linked I think

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076H63ZK7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Mine's not Bluetooth, which may be why it works very well:

https://smile.amazon.com/Wireless-He...A3BT0DBLJQEM25

On 4/21/2019 11:15 PM, wrote:
To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)



I think there are differences in bluetooth devices and their latency
issues. The bluetooth in my cell phone seems to work fine with no
detectable loss of audio quality or latency issues when watching
a video on the cell phone and transmitting the audio via bluetooth
to the living room sound system that is bluetooth equipped. But, I
bought a bluetooth transmitter dongle and it's companion receiver and
hooked the transmitter up
to the audio out of a digital piano and the receiver to a guitar
amplifier and the latency drove me crazy. I'd play a key on the
piano and it's sound from the amp was delayed by almost a sec.
Impossible to use.



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On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:14:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Mine's not Bluetooth, which may be why it works very well:

https://smile.amazon.com/Wireless-He...A3BT0DBLJQEM25

I notice that says "low latency", not "no latency". I guess the analog
to digital conversion takes some time. I am going to track down the
buffer size setting on my PC and see how low I can get away with. I
know my 900mz set seems to broadcast in real time but it is analog.
Going through the PC, I do have some latency if it goes through the
mixer but if it is set to "solo" it is straight through.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:31:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/21/2019 11:15 PM, wrote:
To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)



I think there are differences in bluetooth devices and their latency
issues. The bluetooth in my cell phone seems to work fine with no
detectable loss of audio quality or latency issues when watching
a video on the cell phone and transmitting the audio via bluetooth
to the living room sound system that is bluetooth equipped. But, I
bought a bluetooth transmitter dongle and it's companion receiver and
hooked the transmitter up
to the audio out of a digital piano and the receiver to a guitar
amplifier and the latency drove me crazy. I'd play a key on the
piano and it's sound from the amp was delayed by almost a sec.
Impossible to use.



The phone may be delaying the display of the video to allow the sound
to catch up. I understand you can set the VLC player on a PC to do
that. It doesn't help if I am using this for the TV with the audio
going through the PC.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:36:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:14:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Mine's not Bluetooth, which may be why it works very well:

https://smile.amazon.com/Wireless-He...A3BT0DBLJQEM25

I notice that says "low latency", not "no latency". I guess the analog
to digital conversion takes some time. I am going to track down the
buffer size setting on my PC and see how low I can get away with. I
know my 900mz set seems to broadcast in real time but it is analog.
Going through the PC, I do have some latency if it goes through the
mixer but if it is set to "solo" it is straight through.

Whatever latency may exist is lower than my latency perception threshold.

wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:31:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/21/2019 11:15 PM, wrote:
To be honest I never had a reason to know much about Blue Tooth, I
hooked up a mouse and I was good to go. Now I am getting a little
education with this head set. It actually sounds pretty good to me and
the noise canceling works well. The problem is the delay (W/7). If you
are listening to music, you probably never notice. It may seem to be
slow changing songs but that is about it. OTOH trying to watch a movie
is ridiculous. The sound on mine is a couple seconds behind the video.
That is supposed to be fixed by changing the buffer size and with my
4.0 dongle and 4.0 headset that can be 150-200 ms or so but you still
might notice it.
I also found out this is because Blue Tooth is massaging/compressing
the data yet again. A better ear might get ****ed about that,
At any rate it is sort of working for me because I am either listening
to music in the shop or listening to one of those slide show TV things
like WWII in color or Ken Burns. Looking at the TV does not usually
add much. On the WWII shows they keep running the same tired old
B-roll shots I have been looking at for 65 years. There is only so
much WWII film.
I do wonder how Harry tolerates the BT compressed music, after all of
his railing on about it.
BTW have the Russians released him yet? (the real Harry, not the
imposter). ;-)



I think there are differences in bluetooth devices and their latency
issues. The bluetooth in my cell phone seems to work fine with no
detectable loss of audio quality or latency issues when watching
a video on the cell phone and transmitting the audio via bluetooth
to the living room sound system that is bluetooth equipped. But, I
bought a bluetooth transmitter dongle and it's companion receiver and
hooked the transmitter up
to the audio out of a digital piano and the receiver to a guitar
amplifier and the latency drove me crazy. I'd play a key on the
piano and it's sound from the amp was delayed by almost a sec.
Impossible to use.



The phone may be delaying the display of the video to allow the sound
to catch up. I understand you can set the VLC player on a PC to do
that. It doesn't help if I am using this for the TV with the audio
going through the PC.


I have the Corwin E7 and did not see any delay watching movies on the iPad.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:16:46 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:36:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:14:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Mine's not Bluetooth, which may be why it works very well:

https://smile.amazon.com/Wireless-He...A3BT0DBLJQEM25

I notice that says "low latency", not "no latency". I guess the analog
to digital conversion takes some time. I am going to track down the
buffer size setting on my PC and see how low I can get away with. I
know my 900mz set seems to broadcast in real time but it is analog.
Going through the PC, I do have some latency if it goes through the
mixer but if it is set to "solo" it is straight through.

Whatever latency may exist is lower than my latency perception threshold.

I guess that is the advantage of generic 2.4 gz over Bluetooth, even
though they share the same basic bandwidth. I know I prefer my 2.4gz
Logitech desktop devices over the blue tooth ones I have. The only
advantage Bluetooth has is a resident hub in my laptops instead of
plugging in a dongle.