wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:35:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:17:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:21:14 -0400, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/18/20 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 00:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is allowing some beaches in northern Florida
to reopen, The Associated Press reported on Friday, even though the
state has continued to see an increase in coronavirus cases.

As of Friday, Florida had reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and
nearly 700 deaths.

DeSantis, who initially left it up to local officials to close their
beaches and other establishments, said at a news conference on Friday
that some counties could start reopening their beaches if they wanted,
adding that it was important for people to get fresh air, the AP
reported.

"Do it in a good way," DeSantis said. "Do it in a safe way."

As long as social distancing is done, what is different than going
out to
walk the neighborhood?

Harry thinks going to the beach is taking the train out to Fire
Island. I doubt he has ever seen a beach without people laying on
overlapping blankets.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/bb/08/38/b...ney-island.jpg




Where do you get these absurd ideas? I've never been to Fire Island or
Coney Island, and I've rarely even been out to Long Island. We had
beautiful, uncrowded beaches where we summered in the New Haven area.

These beaches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmpuojDL-k&t=119s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3VRTNpGrVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m278c3ryidw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqpcysyeJ1I


You missed one.
Whats so special about this place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQamUMr9Gl8

I am still wondering what is wrong with that place that makes real
estate so cheap. 3000 sq/ft houses on a private beach only draw
350-400k. I would think within commuting distance of the business
capital of the world would drive prices up into 7 figures.

===

Actually they are outside the easy commuting distance to NYC, much
closer to New Haven, CT. I thnk virtually all of those places started
out as summer cottages and may be not be finished as well as you'd
like. It's also possible that they are uninsurable since they have
little elevation or setback. Boating is problematic also since the
shore there is so exposed.

Yeah, 3000 sq/ft "cottages". It reminds me of some of the "cabins" we
rented in the mountains.
Doesn't the train drop you right in Penn Plaza? My Buddy's brother was
a conductor on that train until he retired. He used to get drunk and
call out every stop from New Haven to NYC or until someone said, "this
is our stop so stop" ;-)
I looked at a couple on Zillow and it looks like they have been fairly
well upgraded but they are still old houses. I guess the preFIRM thing
may be an issue but there are plenty of preFIRM houses, more like 1800
sq/ft in on the water (canal) that are getting a half mil around here
and if you are talking beach front on the gulf, $2.5 Mil won't even
get you a teardown on Bonita Beach.
I just looked at a bare lot with the same 50' of beach ( 27866 Hickory
Blvd) that they want $2,875,000 for.

Obviously beach front and boat don't go together. At least until you
get up into the tens of megabucks for a compound that spans beach to
bay.

It really just surprised me. I thought Connecticut was full of rich
people. If you can buy a house, even a teardown, on a private road
with a private beach for $350k, maybe not so much.


My godson is VP of a large company in NYC. He transferred to SoCal last
year, and his house in a very nice area had only gone up a couple hundred K
in maybe 10 years. Train commute distance if the city, and even had very
few offers over an extended time before he sold. New Canaan if I remember
correctly.

On 4/18/20 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:35:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:17:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:21:14 -0400, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/18/20 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 00:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is allowing some beaches in northern Florida
to reopen, The Associated Press reported on Friday, even though the
state has continued to see an increase in coronavirus cases.

As of Friday, Florida had reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and
nearly 700 deaths.

DeSantis, who initially left it up to local officials to close their
beaches and other establishments, said at a news conference on Friday
that some counties could start reopening their beaches if they wanted,
adding that it was important for people to get fresh air, the AP
reported.

"Do it in a good way," DeSantis said. "Do it in a safe way."

As long as social distancing is done, what is different than going
out to
walk the neighborhood?

Harry thinks going to the beach is taking the train out to Fire
Island. I doubt he has ever seen a beach without people laying on
overlapping blankets.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/bb/08/38/b...ney-island.jpg



Where do you get these absurd ideas? I've never been to Fire Island or
Coney Island, and I've rarely even been out to Long Island. We had
beautiful, uncrowded beaches where we summered in the New Haven area.

These beaches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmpuojDL-k&t=119s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3VRTNpGrVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m278c3ryidw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqpcysyeJ1I


You missed one.
Whats so special about this place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQamUMr9Gl8

I am still wondering what is wrong with that place that makes real
estate so cheap. 3000 sq/ft houses on a private beach only draw
350-400k. I would think within commuting distance of the business
capital of the world would drive prices up into 7 figures.

===

Actually they are outside the easy commuting distance to NYC, much
closer to New Haven, CT. I thnk virtually all of those places started
out as summer cottages and may be not be finished as well as you'd
like. It's also possible that they are uninsurable since they have
little elevation or setback. Boating is problematic also since the
shore there is so exposed.

Yeah, 3000 sq/ft "cottages". It reminds me of some of the "cabins" we
rented in the mountains.
Doesn't the train drop you right in Penn Plaza? My Buddy's brother was
a conductor on that train until he retired. He used to get drunk and
call out every stop from New Haven to NYC or until someone said, "this
is our stop so stop" ;-)
I looked at a couple on Zillow and it looks like they have been fairly
well upgraded but they are still old houses. I guess the preFIRM thing
may be an issue but there are plenty of preFIRM houses, more like 1800
sq/ft in on the water (canal) that are getting a half mil around here
and if you are talking beach front on the gulf, $2.5 Mil won't even
get you a teardown on Bonita Beach.
I just looked at a bare lot with the same 50' of beach ( 27866 Hickory
Blvd) that they want $2,875,000 for.

Obviously beach front and boat don't go together. At least until you
get up into the tens of megabucks for a compound that spans beach to
bay.

It really just surprised me. I thought Connecticut was full of rich
people. If you can buy a house, even a teardown, on a private road
with a private beach for $350k, maybe not so much.


There are commuter trains serving New York and New Haven, with
intermediate stops. I think NYC is about 75 miles from where we
summered, in Woodmont, part of Milford. When I was a teen and wanting to
attend an event in the city, I would sometimes take the 8:02 am out of
New Haven and grab a breakfast at the automat near Grand Central. The
train took less than an hour and a half. The train stopped in Milford
along the way and a couple of other places in Connecticut, like
Greenwich. I don't know what the schedule is these days, though I have
taken the train from DC to New Haven and to Providence and Boston a few
times.

Some of those beachfronters with boats keep their boats close to shore
and they are on the sandbars at low tide. Others moor them on buoys out
past the sandbars. Still others keep them at harbors in Milford, New
Haven, Branford, et cetera.

We rented several different houses in Woodmont in the summers, including
a couple built right after WW I by Sly Poli, the theater magnate. A
couple of years ago, a lifelong friend of mine sold the one he inherited
from his dad for well over a million dollars. But most of the properties
are far more modest.



--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:20:37 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/18/20 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:35:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:17:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:21:14 -0400, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/18/20 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 00:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is allowing some beaches in northern Florida
to reopen, The Associated Press reported on Friday, even though the
state has continued to see an increase in coronavirus cases.

As of Friday, Florida had reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and
nearly 700 deaths.

DeSantis, who initially left it up to local officials to close their
beaches and other establishments, said at a news conference on Friday
that some counties could start reopening their beaches if they wanted,
adding that it was important for people to get fresh air, the AP
reported.

"Do it in a good way," DeSantis said. "Do it in a safe way."

As long as social distancing is done, what is different than going
out to
walk the neighborhood?

Harry thinks going to the beach is taking the train out to Fire
Island. I doubt he has ever seen a beach without people laying on
overlapping blankets.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/bb/08/38/b...ney-island.jpg



Where do you get these absurd ideas? I've never been to Fire Island or
Coney Island, and I've rarely even been out to Long Island. We had
beautiful, uncrowded beaches where we summered in the New Haven area.

These beaches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmpuojDL-k&t=119s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3VRTNpGrVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m278c3ryidw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqpcysyeJ1I


You missed one.
Whats so special about this place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQamUMr9Gl8

I am still wondering what is wrong with that place that makes real
estate so cheap. 3000 sq/ft houses on a private beach only draw
350-400k. I would think within commuting distance of the business
capital of the world would drive prices up into 7 figures.

===

Actually they are outside the easy commuting distance to NYC, much
closer to New Haven, CT. I thnk virtually all of those places started
out as summer cottages and may be not be finished as well as you'd
like. It's also possible that they are uninsurable since they have
little elevation or setback. Boating is problematic also since the
shore there is so exposed.

Yeah, 3000 sq/ft "cottages". It reminds me of some of the "cabins" we
rented in the mountains.
Doesn't the train drop you right in Penn Plaza? My Buddy's brother was
a conductor on that train until he retired. He used to get drunk and
call out every stop from New Haven to NYC or until someone said, "this
is our stop so stop" ;-)
I looked at a couple on Zillow and it looks like they have been fairly
well upgraded but they are still old houses. I guess the preFIRM thing
may be an issue but there are plenty of preFIRM houses, more like 1800
sq/ft in on the water (canal) that are getting a half mil around here
and if you are talking beach front on the gulf, $2.5 Mil won't even
get you a teardown on Bonita Beach.
I just looked at a bare lot with the same 50' of beach ( 27866 Hickory
Blvd) that they want $2,875,000 for.

Obviously beach front and boat don't go together. At least until you
get up into the tens of megabucks for a compound that spans beach to
bay.

It really just surprised me. I thought Connecticut was full of rich
people. If you can buy a house, even a teardown, on a private road
with a private beach for $350k, maybe not so much.


There are commuter trains serving New York and New Haven, with
intermediate stops. I think NYC is about 75 miles from where we
summered, in Woodmont, part of Milford. When I was a teen and wanting to
attend an event in the city, I would sometimes take the 8:02 am out of
New Haven and grab a breakfast at the automat near Grand Central. The
train took less than an hour and a half. The train stopped in Milford
along the way and a couple of other places in Connecticut, like
Greenwich. I don't know what the schedule is these days, though I have
taken the train from DC to New Haven and to Providence and Boston a few
times.

Easy enough, Amtrak from New Haven to Penn station is an hour and
40-46 minutes. It costs $43. There is also a no name train but I
didn't look at it.
A agree with Wayne, that is an oppressive commute unless you can
"flex" and work on the train.
It is still not that much more, time wise than a lot of commutes into
DC. I thought Clinton to 1801 K street was oppressive enough that I
didn't take the job and I had free parking. I knew people going into
DC from south of Waldorf and north of Frederick.

I liked it here, 10 miles, no lights no bridges and a you can go 65.

Some of those beachfronters with boats keep their boats close to shore
and they are on the sandbars at low tide. Others moor them on buoys out
past the sandbars. Still others keep them at harbors in Milford, New
Haven, Branford, et cetera.

We rented several different houses in Woodmont in the summers, including
a couple built right after WW I by Sly Poli, the theater magnate. A
couple of years ago, a lifelong friend of mine sold the one he inherited
from his dad for well over a million dollars. But most of the properties
are far more modest.

If you can buy a quarter acre lot with 50' of beach front on a private
road for $340k it should be a steal if the location is OK. That is
true even if there is a house there you need to tear down. Maybe
building is just ridiculous because a garden variety stick built house
with siding with 3 tab shingles, a few streets over, off the beach is
$650k, so it must be the building holding down the price. The $650k
house is above FEMA.
For $300k, you could tear that house down and build a castle here.
Then you would have a castle by the sea.
It could even be built to southern building code so "almost a storm
Sandy" wouldn't be an issue at all. You might not even put the
shutters down. That $650k house will be spraying the neighborhood with
siding and shingles if they actually did see a Cat 1.

On 4/18/2020 8:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:53:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/18/20 1:10 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:22:43 -0400, Alex wrote:

Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is allowing some beaches in northern Florida
to reopen, The Associated Press reported on Friday, even though the
state has continued to see an increase in coronavirus cases.

As of Friday, Florida had reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and
nearly 700 deaths.

DeSantis, who initially left it up to local officials to close their
beaches and other establishments, said at a news conference on Friday
that some counties could start reopening their beaches if they wanted,
adding that it was important for people to get fresh air, the AP reported.

"Do it in a good way," DeSantis said. "Do it in a safe way."
As long as social distancing is done, what is different than going out to
walk the neighborhood?


Northern FL is far less affected than southern FL, too.

Particularly in the pan handle but I doubt Harry has ever actually
been there


More imagining on your part. Your incorrect conjuring never ends.

So tell us about your extensive travel on the Florida pan handle
beaches.
If they want to keep the beaches closed in Broward and Dade, I can
understand it but up on the north gulf coast? Why? For that matter it
really doesn't even make that much sense here. Most of the beaches are
deserted at this time of year and social distancing is not a problem.


They were slow to close the beaches in Panama City Beach. We had a
bunch of college kids here from out of state, which I thought was
stupid. But it ended up not seeming to bring it here. We now have about
40 cases with a pop of 185k in the county. First reported case was a guy
that came from Texas.
Our cases seem to be spread out a bit around the county, so I suspect
multiple sources.
Mikek

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:53:19 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:53:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/18/20 1:10 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:22:43 -0400, Alex wrote:

Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is allowing some beaches in northern Florida
to reopen, The Associated Press reported on Friday, even though the
state has continued to see an increase in coronavirus cases.

As of Friday, Florida had reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and
nearly 700 deaths.

DeSantis, who initially left it up to local officials to close their
beaches and other establishments, said at a news conference on Friday
that some counties could start reopening their beaches if they wanted,
adding that it was important for people to get fresh air, the AP reported.

"Do it in a good way," DeSantis said. "Do it in a safe way."
As long as social distancing is done, what is different than going out to
walk the neighborhood?


Northern FL is far less affected than southern FL, too.

Particularly in the pan handle but I doubt Harry has ever actually
been there


More imagining on your part. Your incorrect conjuring never ends.

So tell us about your extensive travel on the Florida pan handle
beaches.
If they want to keep the beaches closed in Broward and Dade, I can
understand it but up on the north gulf coast? Why? For that matter it
really doesn't even make that much sense here. Most of the beaches are
deserted at this time of year and social distancing is not a problem.


They were slow to close the beaches in Panama City Beach. We had a
bunch of college kids here from out of state, which I thought was
stupid. But it ended up not seeming to bring it here. We now have about
40 cases with a pop of 185k in the county. First reported case was a guy
that came from Texas.
Our cases seem to be spread out a bit around the county, so I suspect
multiple sources.
Mikek

When you toss the one near a cruise ship port, the beaches turned out
to be pretty safe. The zip codes near the gulf beaches have the lowest
counts in those counties. The pan handle counties are all pretty low
as soon as you get away from the Alabama border where the NOLA people
came to stay with friends.
There is a leaked government report saying bright sunlight kills this
virus pretty fast so maybe that explains low rates at the beach.
Things you touch are probably pretty safe if they say in the sun a
while since the last infection. (Beach chairs, coolers etc). The sand
itself and the salt water should be fine.