On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:16:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 13:22:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:27:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 11:54 AM, wrote:


Bad news for some areas that have done well so far.

From the Wall Street Journal:

The coronavirus pandemic is spreading from cities to rural communities
that have a higher share of older, at-risk residents, a trend that has
implications for the stress it may put on local health-care systems as
well as the push by many governors to ease economic restrictions and
reopen for business.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins
University shows in the two-week period between April 20 and May 4,
newly confirmed Covid-19 cases in nonmetropolitan areas outpaced those
in metro areas by 30%.

The virus’s spread to nonmetropolitan areas, where resources for
testing and medical care tend to be in short supply, could present new
dilemmas for state officials charged with determining when and how
much to relax stay-at-home rules. ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-in-rural-communities-with-aging-populations-11589601660




Our very rural town has recently experienced an uptick in confirmed cases.

I don't know how to think. I understand the reasons to take the
recommended precautions, social distancing, isolation, wearing
masks, etc. with full realization that I am not qualified to
judge as to how effective they are.

I also understand that if this goes too much longer we may face an
economic hit that could take a decade or more to recover from.

One thing that really ****es me off though. In the once or twice
visits a week I make to a local convenience type store to pick up a few
necessary items, I've noticed that most older folks are wearing
masks and gloves but the younger people ... mostly teenagers
don't bother with either. They congregate around the store
and the Dunkin' Donuts within taking no obvious heed to the
warnings and recommendations.

I am not arguing that masks and gloves solve anything. I don't
know if they do or not. But those who wear them at least are
demonstrating that they are *aware* of the precautions that are
recommended and are trying to comply. The younger generation
isn't.

===

I call it "Age Related Immortality Syndrome." I had it at one time,
and with a bit of luck, survived to know better. There's no known
cure other than lessons learned the hard way.

Some of us, old or young, are just suffering from Covid fatigue. You
can only tell scary stories for so long before people get tired of it.
Drop a plastic bubble over nursing homes and assisted living
facilities if that is appropriate but it is getting harder to convince
healthy people this is a threat worth losing your job, your business
and your way of life over.
If Covid is going to kill me, kill me and get it over with. Just stop
****ing with me.



I made the mistake of watching the bird flu pandemic documentary on
Amazon prime the other day.

I leaves you wondering how mankind has survived all these years.

One of the guys on another group was bringing up the stats from the
Hong Kong flu in 68-69. It killed 100,000 people here and we didn't
end up closing anything. Considering the population, that is like
150,000 today. We were laughing at Asians wearing masks then.
What happened to us?

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/18/2020 3:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 14:55:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 13:22:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:27:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 11:54 AM, wrote:


Bad news for some areas that have done well so far.

From the Wall Street Journal:

The coronavirus pandemic is spreading from cities to rural communities
that have a higher share of older, at-risk residents, a trend that has
implications for the stress it may put on local health-care systems as
well as the push by many governors to ease economic restrictions and
reopen for business.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins
University shows in the two-week period between April 20 and May 4,
newly confirmed Covid-19 cases in nonmetropolitan areas outpaced those
in metro areas by 30%.

The virus’s spread to nonmetropolitan areas, where resources for
testing and medical care tend to be in short supply, could present new
dilemmas for state officials charged with determining when and how
much to relax stay-at-home rules. ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-in-rural-communities-with-aging-populations-11589601660




Our very rural town has recently experienced an uptick in confirmed cases.

I don't know how to think. I understand the reasons to take the
recommended precautions, social distancing, isolation, wearing
masks, etc. with full realization that I am not qualified to
judge as to how effective they are.

I also understand that if this goes too much longer we may face an
economic hit that could take a decade or more to recover from.

One thing that really ****es me off though. In the once or twice
visits a week I make to a local convenience type store to pick up a few
necessary items, I've noticed that most older folks are wearing
masks and gloves but the younger people ... mostly teenagers
don't bother with either. They congregate around the store
and the Dunkin' Donuts within taking no obvious heed to the
warnings and recommendations.

I am not arguing that masks and gloves solve anything. I don't
know if they do or not. But those who wear them at least are
demonstrating that they are *aware* of the precautions that are
recommended and are trying to comply. The younger generation
isn't.

===

I call it "Age Related Immortality Syndrome." I had it at one time,
and with a bit of luck, survived to know better. There's no known
cure other than lessons learned the hard way.

Some of us, old or young, are just suffering from Covid fatigue. You
can only tell scary stories for so long before people get tired of it.
Drop a plastic bubble over nursing homes and assisted living
facilities if that is appropriate but it is getting harder to convince
healthy people this is a threat worth losing your job, your business
and your way of life over.
If Covid is going to kill me, kill me and get it over with. Just stop
****ing with me.

===

Since neither you or I are at risk for losing our jobs, we are in the
enviable position of only worrying about our way of life. That's a
real thing of course, and a year lost at this point of our lives is
never going to come back. We were suposed to be cruising Italy and
the Greek Islands right now and then taking the trawler north for the
summer. Neither of those is happening of course but I'm resigned to
it. I'd just like to get our deposit money back from the cruise ship
company before they go bankrupt. With any luck we'll be able to take
a road trip north in June or July.

Meanwhile the stock market is up big time today on encouraging news
about a possible Covid vaccine. Let's hope it pans out while we've
still got a few good years left.



It was doing good until you know who announced he's been taking
hydroxychloroquine and zinc supplements for the past week and
a half.

Watch the market tank.

Sometimes he should just keep his personal opinions to himself.



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Richard, I know nothing about it, but how can his announcement cause the market to sink? I really wouldn't think it'd make much if any of a difference.

On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:29:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 3:51 PM, wrote:




Since neither you or I are at risk for losing our jobs, we are in the
enviable position of only worrying about our way of life. That's a
real thing of course, and a year lost at this point of our lives is
never going to come back. We were suposed to be cruising Italy and
the Greek Islands right now and then taking the trawler north for the
summer. Neither of those is happening of course but I'm resigned to
it. I'd just like to get our deposit money back from the cruise ship
company before they go bankrupt. With any luck we'll be able to take
a road trip north in June or July.


Here's a question for you:

Would you trade a year of your remaining life for permanent immunity
to covid-19?

Silly question because who knows how long your remaining life is but
my initial answer is no.
I wouldn't trust the "permanent" thing to begin with and I still doubt
Covid is the most serious threat to my life right now.

On Mon, 18 May 2020 21:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/18/20 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/18/2020 11:54 AM, wrote:


Bad news for some areas that have done well so far.

Â*From the Wall Street Journal:

The coronavirus pandemic is spreading from cities to rural communities
that have a higher share of older, at-risk residents, a trend that has
implications for the stress it may put on local health-care systems as
well as the push by many governors to ease economic restrictions and
reopen for business.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins
University shows in the two-week period between April 20 and May 4,
newly confirmed Covid-19 cases in nonmetropolitan areas outpaced those
in metro areas by 30%.

The virus’s spread to nonmetropolitan areas, where resources for
testing and medical care tend to be in short supply, could present new
dilemmas for state officials charged with determining when and how
much to relax stay-at-home rules.Â* ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-in-rural-communities-with-aging-populations-11589601660






Our very rural town has recently experienced an uptick in confirmed cases.

I don't know how to think.Â* I understand the reasons to take the
recommended precautions, social distancing, isolation, wearing
masks, etc. with full realization that I am not qualified to
judge as to how effective they are.

I also understand that if this goes too much longer we may face an
economic hit that could take a decade or more to recover from.

One thing that really ****es me off though.Â* In the once or twice
visits a week I make to a local convenience type store to pick up a few
necessary items,Â* I've noticed that most older folks are wearing
masks and gloves but the younger people ... mostly teenagers
don't bother with either.Â* They congregate around the store
and the Dunkin' Donuts within taking no obvious heed to the
warnings and recommendations.

I am not arguing that masks and gloves solve anything.Â* I don't
know if they do or not.Â* But those who wear them at least are
demonstrating that they are *aware* of the precautions that are
recommended and are trying to comply.Â* The younger generation
isn't.



We haven't been out and about that much lately, but have noticed that
everywhere we do go, you cannot get in to any commercial establishment
without wearing a mask. I was in Lowe's yesterday to buy paint, and
everyone was masked and keeping a safe distance.


Have to,wear a mask to get in to Home Depot. There the other day and some
lady and her kids were in the store and had removed the masks.

That is not true here anywhere but Costco and they will give you one.

On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:57:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 5:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:51:00 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 14:55:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 13:22:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:27:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/18/2020 11:54 AM, wrote:


Bad news for some areas that have done well so far.

From the Wall Street Journal:

The coronavirus pandemic is spreading from cities to rural communities
that have a higher share of older, at-risk residents, a trend that has
implications for the stress it may put on local health-care systems as
well as the push by many governors to ease economic restrictions and
reopen for business.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins
University shows in the two-week period between April 20 and May 4,
newly confirmed Covid-19 cases in nonmetropolitan areas outpaced those
in metro areas by 30%.

The virus’s spread to nonmetropolitan areas, where resources for
testing and medical care tend to be in short supply, could present new
dilemmas for state officials charged with determining when and how
much to relax stay-at-home rules. ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-in-rural-communities-with-aging-populations-11589601660




Our very rural town has recently experienced an uptick in confirmed cases.

I don't know how to think. I understand the reasons to take the
recommended precautions, social distancing, isolation, wearing
masks, etc. with full realization that I am not qualified to
judge as to how effective they are.

I also understand that if this goes too much longer we may face an
economic hit that could take a decade or more to recover from.

One thing that really ****es me off though. In the once or twice
visits a week I make to a local convenience type store to pick up a few
necessary items, I've noticed that most older folks are wearing
masks and gloves but the younger people ... mostly teenagers
don't bother with either. They congregate around the store
and the Dunkin' Donuts within taking no obvious heed to the
warnings and recommendations.

I am not arguing that masks and gloves solve anything. I don't
know if they do or not. But those who wear them at least are
demonstrating that they are *aware* of the precautions that are
recommended and are trying to comply. The younger generation
isn't.

===

I call it "Age Related Immortality Syndrome." I had it at one time,
and with a bit of luck, survived to know better. There's no known
cure other than lessons learned the hard way.

Some of us, old or young, are just suffering from Covid fatigue. You
can only tell scary stories for so long before people get tired of it.
Drop a plastic bubble over nursing homes and assisted living
facilities if that is appropriate but it is getting harder to convince
healthy people this is a threat worth losing your job, your business
and your way of life over.
If Covid is going to kill me, kill me and get it over with. Just stop
****ing with me.

===

Since neither you or I are at risk for losing our jobs, we are in the
enviable position of only worrying about our way of life. That's a
real thing of course, and a year lost at this point of our lives is
never going to come back. We were suposed to be cruising Italy and
the Greek Islands right now and then taking the trawler north for the
summer. Neither of those is happening of course but I'm resigned to
it. I'd just like to get our deposit money back from the cruise ship
company before they go bankrupt. With any luck we'll be able to take
a road trip north in June or July.

I am not planning any trips soon and it is going to be a real long
time before I get on a plane again but I am not sitting at home
looking out the window. It turns out, just about everything I do is
essential. With my FIL I am actually out more than I used to be and he
doesn't seem worried at all. (Less than me).
My concern for those who are out of work is because of my kids and my
family in Maryland. They are cutting my SIL's hours and he might get
laid off (Michigan). My Niece is in trouble in Maryland with her
marina. My next door neighbor works for Hertz, need I say more.
I also have other friends and neighbors here who are in trouble. The
only ones who are busy are the ones in the trades. HVAC, plumbing,
roofing and landscape still goes on, no matter what. The 2 bar owners
are worried they may not only lose their business, they might lose
their house. The servers say they would rather be laid off than lose
out on unemployment to get their pittance of a salary, even if he was
willing to get PPP to pay them. Nobody is making up the tips that end
up being the bulk of their income. One girl said she may have to go
back to nursing, the job she quit to be a barmaid, except nurses are
being laid off too.


Meanwhile the stock market is up big time today on encouraging news
about a possible Covid vaccine. Let's hope it pans out while we've
still got a few good years left.



I seem to be doing OK. Even that XOM you guys warned me about is up
$10 from what I paid for it. If it gets back to 70 I will be a happy
guy. I might even buy a car ;-)


Something newer than a 1998 model? :-)

It would be a waste of money for me to buy anything newer than mid
201xs because I will trash it right away anyhow but I did see a Honda
sporty thing I liked. It was an Accord model (I think) that looks like
my Prelude a little. I haven't looked at KBB lately but I think XOM at
70 would cover it nicely only taking about half of my position.
OTOH I think I would rather keep driving the Prelude and have the
money for something more useful.
It just seemed fitting to spend Exxon money on a car.
I spent my Centex money on a pool and I even copied the details from
one of their masters for the plans I submitted for the permit.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:r
On 5/18/20 2:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/18/2020 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/18/2020 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/18/2020 11:54 AM, wrote: Bad news for some areas that have done well so far. From the Wall Street Journal: The coronavirus pandemic is spreading from cities to rural communities that have a higher share of older, at-risk residents, a trend that has implications for the stress it may put on local health-care systems as well as the push by many governors to ease economic restrictions and reopen for business. A Wall Street Journal analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins University shows in the two-week period between April 20 and May 4, newly confirmed Covid-19 cases in nonmetropolitan areas outpaced those in metro areas by 30%. The viruss spread to nonmetropolitan areas, where resources for testing and medical care tend to be in short supply, could present new dilemmas for state officials charged with determining when and how much to relax stay-at-home rules. ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-in-rural-communities-with-aging-populations-11589601660 Our very rural town has recently experienced an uptick in confirmed cases. I don't know how to think. I understand the reasons to take the recommended precautions, social distancing, isolation, wearing masks, etc. with full realization that I am not qualified to judge as to how effective they are. I also understand that if this goes too much longer we may face an economic hit that could take a decade or more to recover from. One thing that really ****es me off though. In the once or twice visits a week I make to a local convenience type store to pick up a few necessary items, I've noticed that most older folks are wearing masks and gloves but the younger people ... mostly teenagers don't bother with either. They congregate around the store and the Dunkin' Donuts within taking no obvious heed to the warnings and recommendations. I am not arguing that masks and gloves solve anything. I don't know if they do or not. But those who wear them at least are demonstrating that they are *aware* of the precautions that are recommended and are trying to comply. The younger generation isn't. We haven't been out and about that much lately, but have noticed that everywhere we do go, you cannot get in to any commercial establishment without wearing a mask. I was in Lowe's yesterday to buy paint, and everyone was masked and keeping a safe distance. Yes. I released you from my Bozo Bin last night and left Nomen by his lonesome. Let's see if we can discuss stuff without going overboard with the politics, uh? Deal? The daily covid-19 reported cases in Massachusetts and particularly in Plymouth County that I have been tracking has *not* plateaued yet. Cases are still on the rise. Our governor has announced a four-phase "opening" plan but has not given any details as to timing. He's supposed to do so today ... or possibly delay it further. I don't think some realize that a "plateau" doesn't mean much other than the number of new cases daily isn't rising. It also isn't diminishing. Based on current numbers I think MA still has a way to go. I am also becoming convinced that this is going to be around for a long, long time unless an effective vaccine is developed. I heard a guy (the former head of the CDC) say that people are talking of a second round in the fall or winter. He thinks that's a misnomer. He said what it really means is the virus never went away to begin with. It's just waiting until we let our guard down and the next wave could be much worse because it will coincide with the seasonal flu outbreak. 2020 sure sucks so far. . My non medical opinion might be like yours...I think that the reason why we have hit a plateau is because most of us are isolating, using masks when we go out, and dousing ourselves in Purell. I wipe Purell on my face, too, and s o far have kept it out of my eyes. Wife was told her private offices downtown for herself and staff were commercially disinfected and locked, waiting her return. AC there is off. She will avoid public transportation when her office reopens. It appears that even the experts have been duped by this virus. Recent reports indicate that the number of those infected is far more wide spread than thought even a week ago. The former head of the CDC also warned that covid-19 is a particularly bad virus as viruses go. Sometimes I think it would have been better to "catch it" early on and hope for a recovery. But then again at 70 years old, we are in the high risk category. Decisions, decisions. I kind of intellectually enjoy the ignorant comments of those who claim experts like Fauci "got things wrong" or "changed their minds" on X, Y, or Z. Real scientists in these fields regularly adjust their views as new information becomes available.I remember bits of a paper my wife wrote in grad school that posited how much of Freud had become irrelevant. Had Freud himself been around, he would have offered his own corrections, additions, and deletions.-- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

It wouldn't hurt if you opened your mind even just a little.
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On 5/19/20 8:37 AM, I Ohlphart wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:

I kind of intellectually enjoy the ignorant comments of those who
claim experts like Fauci "got things wrong" or "changed their minds" on
X, Y, or Z. Real scientists in these fields regularly adjust their views
as new information becomes available.I remember bits of a paper my wife
wrote in grad school that posited how much of Freud had become
irrelevant. Had Freud himself been around, he would have offered his own
corrections, additions, and deletions.-- MAGA - Manipulating America's
Gullible Assholes

It wouldn't hurt if you opened your mind even just a little.


On the other hand, it probably would hurt *you* if you had a mind and
were capable of thought.
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