On 5/25/2020 3:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more




With a documented increase in domestic violence, not hard to also agree to
an increase in suicide



Sure ... logical that an increase happens. But, I am arguing against
the statement (above) that:

"More people died from suicide than COVID."

The referenced article goes on to talk about "unprecedented" number
of suicide *attempts* but doesn't give any actual numbers.

I am hard pressed to believe suicides in the USA more than *doubled*
in 4 months over the number for all of 2018.






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On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:51:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I am hard pressed to believe suicides in the USA more than *doubled*
in 4 months over the number for all of 2018.

===

It would be big news, widely distributed, if it had. Some increase is
entirely possible but it will probably be a while before it's
statistically significant, and I'd expect significant geographic and
demographic differences.

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On Mon, 25 May 2020 10:49:31 -0400, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

On 5/24/2020 2:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 2:17 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see
the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.


But doing the same in Walmart is okay according to the rulers.


All the stores open in my neck of the woods require masks and
separation. I've been to Lowe's a couple of times recently, and
separation in aisles and at the registers was enforced, and you can't
get into the store without a mask and unless someone else has just
left...crowds are limited.

My local gun store requires masks and only allows a couple customers in
the store at a time...owner is a friend and we've been joking about all
the guys in a gun store wearing masks.

I hope your gun store buddy sanitizes every gun after it's been fondled
and sneezed on by every tire kicker making up his mind on which high
powered "target" pistol or "target" sniper rifle to wish for.

That begs the question, what sanitizer does work without rusting up
the firearm? It sure ain't bleach. Maybe mix a little oil in denatured
alcohol.

On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:11:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more

This is anecdotal but here you go

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

On 5/25/2020 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:11:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more

This is anecdotal but here you go

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/



That's the same article (and link) that I referred to as well as others.
It provides no numbers and only says the covid-19 *might* cause an
increase in suicides. One doc is quoted as saying,

"I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four
weeks."

Note he said "attempts".

I personally question his claim anyway, but I don't know.


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On Tue, 26 May 2020 05:11:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:11:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more

This is anecdotal but here you go

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/



That's the same article (and link) that I referred to as well as others.
It provides no numbers and only says the covid-19 *might* cause an
increase in suicides. One doc is quoted as saying,

"I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four
weeks."

Note he said "attempts".

I personally question his claim anyway, but I don't know.

Maybe it just shows the hyperbole coming out of the medical community,
from the ER techs all the way to the top dogs in DC.

wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 05:11:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:11:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more

This is anecdotal but here you go

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/



That's the same article (and link) that I referred to as well as others.
It provides no numbers and only says the covid-19 *might* cause an
increase in suicides. One doc is quoted as saying,

"I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four
weeks."

Note he said "attempts".

I personally question his claim anyway, but I don't know.

Maybe it just shows the hyperbole coming out of the medical community,
from the ER techs all the way to the top dogs in DC.


Add human emotional stability to the list of subjects about which Fretwell
has no education, professional, or experience.

wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:51:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I am hard pressed to believe suicides in the USA more than *doubled*
in 4 months over the number for all of 2018.

===

It would be big news, widely distributed, if it had. Some increase is
entirely possible but it will probably be a while before it's
statistically significant, and I'd expect significant geographic and
demographic differences.


Maybe they list them as COVID deaths and collect money.

On 26 May 2020 13:24:50 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 05:11:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:11:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2020 1:49 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 5:11 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 12:25:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/20 1:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Copied from a friend of mine on FB. It makes a lot of sense when you
see the lunacy that's going on in Springfield, Illinois.

It would be fabulous, Tim, if you and a large crowd of your buddies,
hundreds maybe, got together sans masks in a large church for
socializing. Just pack 'em in, exchanges lots of hugs and kisses, pass
around the wafers, share grape juice cups, and sneezed and coughed all
over each other. Oh...and let us know how it works out.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

When he penned that phrase,Harry. it's amazing how he had you in mind.



Go for it, but make sure you are among at least 100 of your fellow
worshipers of Trump.


More people died from suicide than COVID.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/

So shelter in place has negatives also. Maybe church is more necessary
than golfing.



The arguments about how many people die from suicides, car accidents,
etc., compared to covid-19 deaths make no sense to me.

If there are precautions that can be taken to control the number of
people who contact covid-19 it seems to me that they should be
listened to and considered. People don't "catch" a inclination
for suicide or a higher risk of a car accident simply by
intermingling with other people.

If the recommendations for social distancing, self-quarantine,
especially if infected, the famous "washing of hands" and
don't touch your face had *not* been taken seriously by the
general public, this pandemic would be still on the rise
exponentially and would eventually affect everyone on the
planet. The reason the rise of infections, hospitalizations
and deaths are starting to decline is because generally, the
public paid attention and cooperated.

What if they hadn't?





The increase in suicides are probably from losing jobs, cannot pay the
bills, no social interaction, etc. all results of the SIP orders.
Domestic violence up also.


There are all kinds of articles about how the suicide rate *might*
increase due to various pressures and influences related to covid-19 but
none I can find actually provide numbers.

In 2018 there were just under 50,000 recorded deaths by suicide in the
USA. The deaths due to covid-19 is double that in four months.


might increase but to say more

This is anecdotal but here you go

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-1...th-by/6201962/



That's the same article (and link) that I referred to as well as others.
It provides no numbers and only says the covid-19 *might* cause an
increase in suicides. One doc is quoted as saying,

"I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four
weeks."

Note he said "attempts".

I personally question his claim anyway, but I don't know.

Maybe it just shows the hyperbole coming out of the medical community,
from the ER techs all the way to the top dogs in DC.


Add human emotional stability to the list of subjects about which Fretwell
has no education, professional, or experience.

I don't accept emotional hyperbole with being rational or logical so
maybe that is my problem. Just wash your hands and get back to work.
Hand wringing never accomplished a damned thing.

He can get all that he wants from Facebook. It’s called “drama�
Keyser Soze
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Add human emotional stability to the list of subjects about which Fretwell
has no education, professional, or experience.