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Folding the American Flag
On 5/25/2020 7:54 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason. Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1. The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2. The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3. The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion of his or her life for the defense of our country to attain peace. 4. The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His divine guidance. 5. The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, “Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong.” 6. The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7. The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it is through the armed forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies. 8. The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mother’s Day. 9. The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the character of men and women who have made this country great have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, “In God We Trust.” Thanks, I didn't know that. Harry is correct though. The unique folding of the American Flag is a custom but is not mandated by any constitutional rules or regulations. The practice of a flag covered coffin began during the Napoleonic Wars (1796-1815) and was adopted by the United States military. Civilians who never served can also request a flag covered coffin at the burial site however a military Honor Guard is not present. The family of the deceased provides the flag. In the case of a veteran, the government provides the flag and the Honor Guard. The meaning of each fold is also a custom belief also, not a constitutional or Flag Code definition. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Folding the American Flag
On 5/25/2020 8:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/25/20 8:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/25/2020 7:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/24/2020 10:52 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/24/20 8:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason.* Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1.* The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2.* The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3.* The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the***** veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion***** of his or her life for the defense of our country to***** attain peace. 4.* The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as***** citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His***** divine guidance. 5. The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country,***** for in the words of Stephen Decatur, ?Our country, in***** dealing with other countries, may she always be right,***** but it is still our country, right or wrong.? 6.* The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with***** our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the ***** United States of America, and to the republic for which***** it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty***** and justice for all. 7.* The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it***** is through the armed forces that we protect our country and***** our flag against all enemies. 8.* The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into***** the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light***** of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on***** Mother?s Day. 9. The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been***** through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the***** character of men and women who have made this country great***** have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given***** his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since***** he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the***** lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon***** and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents***** an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the***** Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars***** are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, ?In God***** We Trust.? See now a math guy like John might also point out that it has to do with the geometry of the flag ;-) Yes we learned out how to fold a flag in elementary school, back when the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance was part of the morning opening. We stopped the Pledge when they shoved that "under god" b.s. into it. I wasn't aware the flag folding routine had all that religious nonsense in it. Apparently whoever wrote it never read or understood the Constitution.-- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes Like some of us were discussing recently, you Fat Harry Krause are a real piece of ****. One of the reasons I posted the thing about the meaning of folding the flag was inspired by another thread in here with the subject, "I know this annoys some ...."**** :-) Truthfully, I never knew why it was folded exactly 13 times or the symbolism and meaning of each fold was.* I thought it was in honor of the 13 original states, like many others. Thought it was interesting and provides a much deeper history of what the origins of the United States of America stand for. It is interesting. I doubt the founding fathers would have gone for all the secular religiousity, though. The story of the folds was written after WW I. That's true.* The American Flag has always been ceremoniously folded ... not because of any founding father's rules or constitutional requirements ... but out of a desire to make it "special".* It's a custom, nothing more. Oh, it is special, especially when presented to survivors at a military funeral, as a commemoration of service to the nation. Oh, it is special. That's why you never have and never will see it done to honor cowards like Fat Harry Krause. -- Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no longer exists, if it ever did at all. |
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Folding the American Flag
On 5/25/2020 7:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2020 10:52 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/24/20 8:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason.* Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1.* The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2.* The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3.* The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the***** veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion***** of his or her life for the defense of our country to***** attain peace. 4.* The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as***** citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His***** divine guidance. 5.* The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country,***** for in the words of Stephen Decatur, ?Our country, in***** dealing with other countries, may she always be right,***** but it is still our country, right or wrong.? 6.* The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with***** our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the***** United States of America, and to the republic for which***** it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty***** and justice for all. 7.* The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it***** is through the armed forces that we protect our country and***** our flag against all enemies. 8.* The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into***** the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light***** of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on***** Mother?s Day. 9.* The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been***** through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the***** character of men and women who have made this country great***** have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given***** his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since***** he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the***** lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon***** and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents***** an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the***** Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, ?In God***** We Trust.? See now a math guy like John might also point out that it has to do with the geometry of the flag ;-) Yes we learned out how to fold a flag in elementary school, back when the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance was part of the morning opening. We stopped the Pledge when they shoved that "under god" b.s. into it. I wasn't aware the flag folding routine had all that religious nonsense in it. Apparently whoever wrote it never read or understood the Constitution.-- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes Like some of us were discussing recently, you Fat Harry Krause are * a real piece of ****. One of the reasons I posted the thing about the meaning of folding the flag was inspired by another thread in here with the subject, "I know this annoys some ...."**** :-) Inspired by Fat Harry, you say. Washa you mouf out wit soap. :-) Truthfully, I never knew why it was folded exactly 13 times or the symbolism and meaning of each fold was.* I thought it was in honor of the 13 original states, like many others. Thought it was interesting and provides a much deeper history of what the origins of the United States of America stand for. -- Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no longer exists, if it ever did at all. |
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Folding the American Flag
On Sun, 24 May 2020 21:50:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 5/24/20 8:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason. Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1. The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2. The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3. The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion of his or her life for the defense of our country to attain peace. 4. The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His divine guidance. 5. The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, “Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong.” 6. The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7. The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it is through the armed forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies. 8. The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mother’s Day. 9. The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the character of men and women who have made this country great have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, “In God We Trust.” See now a math guy like John might also point out that it has to do with the geometry of the flag ;-) Yes we learned out how to fold a flag in elementary school, back when the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance was part of the morning opening. We stopped the Pledge when they shoved that "under god" b.s. into it. I wasn't aware the flag folding routine had all that religious nonsense in it. Apparently whoever wrote it never read or understood the Constitution. I know that is what you "remember" but I really doubt it is true. You are not the only person I know who went to school in New Haven. God was removed from the schools in the early 60s with the Mandolin Murray SCOTUS decision. You also seem to forget God was a major part of the government mainstream lexicon until some time after that. Maybe you should read speeches from FDR, Eisenhower and your missouri hero the racist, Truman. FDR said God wanted us to beat the Nazis and the Japs, Truman said God was on our side in Korea and Eisenhower's administration put God in the pledge. |
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Folding the American Flag
On 25 May 2020 11:42:36 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/24/2020 10:52 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/24/20 8:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason. Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1. The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2. The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3. The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion of his or her life for the defense of our country to attain peace. 4. The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His divine guidance. 5. The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, ?Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong.? 6. The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7. The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it is through the armed forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies. 8. The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mother?s Day. 9. The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the character of men and women who have made this country great have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, ?In God We Trust.? See now a math guy like John might also point out that it has to do with the geometry of the flag ;-) Yes we learned out how to fold a flag in elementary school, back when the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance was part of the morning opening. We stopped the Pledge when they shoved that "under god" b.s. into it. I wasn't aware the flag folding routine had all that religious nonsense in it. Apparently whoever wrote it never read or understood the Constitution.-- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes Like some of us were discussing recently, you Fat Harry Krause are a real piece of ****. One of the reasons I posted the thing about the meaning of folding the flag was inspired by another thread in here with the subject, "I know this annoys some ...." :-) Truthfully, I never knew why it was folded exactly 13 times or the symbolism and meaning of each fold was. I thought it was in honor of the 13 original states, like many others. Thought it was interesting and provides a much deeper history of what the origins of the United States of America stand for. It is interesting. I doubt the founding fathers would have gone for all the secular religiousity, though. The story of the folds was written after WW I. You don't seem to know much about the founding fathers or much about what they wrote. "God" is in the Declaration of Independence. You don't get much more "founding" than that. |
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Folding the American Flag
On Mon, 25 May 2020 08:17:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/25/2020 7:54 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2020 17:47:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Memorial Day thoughts: One of the moving parts of a military ceremony for a deceased veteran is the Honor Guard precisely folding the American Flag 13 times and then presenting it to the deceased's next of kin. Why 13 times? Many assume it's in honor of the original 13 states, but that's not the reason. Here's the meaning or tribute of each fold: 1. The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. 2. The second fold signifies our belief in eternal life. 3. The third fold is made in honor and tribute of the veteran departing our ranks, and who gave a portion of his or her life for the defense of our country to attain peace. 4. The fourth fold exemplifies our weaker nature as citizens trusting in God; it is to Him we turn for His divine guidance. 5. The fifth fold is an acknowledgement to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong. 6. The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7. The seventh fold is a tribute to our armed forces, for it is through the armed forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies. 8. The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mothers Day. 9. The ninth fold is an honor to womanhood, for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty, and devotion that the character of men and women who have made this country great have been molded. 10. The 10th fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since he or she was first-born. 11. The 11th fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. The 12th fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. The last fold, when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, In God We Trust. Thanks, I didn't know that. Harry is correct though. The unique folding of the American Flag is a custom but is not mandated by any constitutional rules or regulations. The practice of a flag covered coffin began during the Napoleonic Wars (1796-1815) and was adopted by the United States military. Civilians who never served can also request a flag covered coffin at the burial site however a military Honor Guard is not present. The family of the deceased provides the flag. In the case of a veteran, the government provides the flag and the Honor Guard. The meaning of each fold is also a custom belief also, not a constitutional or Flag Code definition. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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