On 5/27/20 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.


Or sneezing. Or exhaling. Or wheezing from allergies. Or have been
anywhere near Fretwell.

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On Thu, 28 May 2020 00:27:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.



The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask"
is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in the
study) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block things
doing anything?



Define "work".

What exactly is a home-made or non-surgical mask supposed to do?

If it is not stopping the virus, it isn't working. The microscopic
particles that escape are the ones most likely to be able to hang in
the air. Big drops would quickly fall out.

On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?

That is what the 6 feet is all about.

On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask"is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in thestudy) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block thingsdoing anything?

N95 seems to be a standard. Furnace filters and vaccum cleaner
bags claim to adhere to various standards. That study done with
5 subjects seems pretty hokey and un scientific.

There is very little about this mask idea that is scientific. N-95
might be the standard but only if you can find them. You also need to
get the ones without the valve in front or don't bother. The valve
opens when you exhale so it isn't doing anything.
I haven't seen many 95s, most are just some kind of do rag.


With so much unknown about this virus there are only assumptions
we have to deal with currently.
1 It spreads fast.
2 It kills quickly.
3 Treatment seems to be attacking the symptoms and hoping for the best.
4 Most will survive.
5 Aquired immunity is uncertain.

If there is no immunity, we are all going to die. That is unlikely
tho.

6 The particle size has been estimated at 1 to 3 microns.

You are off by a factor of 10. The virus is 0.1 - 0.3 microns.
An N-95 is not even certified to stop it.
(95% of things 0.3 microns)

7 Whether the virus needs a live host has been debated.

It can live without a host, it just can't replicate seems to be the
consensus.

8 Far to many people are ignoring all precautions.

Define "all precautions". Most people are distancing around here, it
is just the mask thing that is being debated.

9 Dr. Fretwells assesments may be correct but I'm not betting my
life on it.
We wear masks and gloves as appropriate

Improperly handling masks and gloves makes them more of a vector for
the disease than protection from it. It is no accident that in a
medical environment these things are "use once and throw away" in the
biohazard container.

We wash hands a lot
We try not to touch our faces
We social distance and monitor people nearby for behavior
Anything we purchase gets disinfected with Lysol in the car and or
in the garage before bringing into the
house.
In general, we follow the latest advice from the heavy hitters.


Do whatever makes you feel good.

On 5/28/2020 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?



That is what the 6 feet is all about.


Right! You are catching on! :-)

The recommendation and in some cases *requirement* to wear a
mask of some type is if you *cannot* maintain at least 6 feet
of social distancing.


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On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?

That is what the 6 feet is all about.

If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll
see what I mean.

You're starting to sound very silly.
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On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?

That is what the 6 feet is all about.

If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll
see what I mean.



You're starting to sound very silly.

We all are actually.

Here's the solution:

Wear a mask or don't wear a mask.

If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you
decide not to ... pay the $300 fine.

If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer
at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove ....

you're a nut.



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On Thu, 28 May 2020 14:10:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/28/2020 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?



That is what the 6 feet is all about.


Right! You are catching on! :-)

The recommendation and in some cases *requirement* to wear a
mask of some type is if you *cannot* maintain at least 6 feet
of social distancing.

I don't have any problem maintaining the 6 feet, and then some as a
rule. I am certainly not standing around in a crowd.

On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?

That is what the 6 feet is all about.

If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll
see what I mean.

You're starting to sound very silly.

Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple
months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped
giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not
bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable
distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is
prolonged contact, not just walking past someone.
When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They
are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party,
probably passing a joint around among other things.

On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote:


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342


Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus
with a cloth or non-N-95 mask.

That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or
of the non-surgical type.

"coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will
land there.

Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet
away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask
and without a mask. Let us know the results.

Just don't stand next to people who are coughing.

Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?

That is what the 6 feet is all about.

If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll
see what I mean.



You're starting to sound very silly.

We all are actually.

Here's the solution:

Wear a mask or don't wear a mask.

If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you
decide not to ... pay the $300 fine.

If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer
at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove ....

you're a nut.

Yeah just wear this star on your arm too while you are at it.
What do you have to lose?