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On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? It's a conspiracy, Greg. I think they are doing it just to **** with you. I just pointed out the real danger. A person with a job that requires an N-95 can't find one because the mask mafia has snapped them all up as fast as Home Depot (et al) can restock them. |
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#33
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On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:39:20 -0400, John wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:13:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? Who is 'they'? Again, N95 respirators and surgical masks (face masks) are examples of personal protective equipment that are used to protect the wearer from airborne particles and from liquid contaminating the face. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) also regulate N95 respirators. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...sks-face-masks Is that source good enough for you? Note, "...are used to protect the wearer from airborne particles and from liquid contaminating the face." That's not that hard to understand. That is easy to understand. I have taught classes on PPE. You haven't explained the handkerchief yet. You are also going to have a hard time finding any medical protocol that says you can take your mask off, shove it in your pocket and put it back on again without contaminating everything it touches. |
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#34
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On 6/6/2020 1:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? Probably. People in Asian countries have been wearing masks for decades for reasons that include but are not limited to as a courtesy to others. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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#35
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On 6/6/2020 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 08:39:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 7:55 AM, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. LOL. Greg, you are doing this on purpose, aren't you? I am just trying to follow the logic. It is particularly strange when Costco, the only place here requiring a mask, has their people wearing a Lexan face shield. People really need to make up their mind. Is this flying debris or is it an aerosol? You really need to put any kind of PPE knowledge or general logic on hold to wrap your head around this fad. I'll play some more. *Droplets* Greg. Potential Virus laced *droplets* -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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#36
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On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:41:41 -0400, John wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:17:58 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 08:39:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 7:55 AM, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. LOL. Greg, you are doing this on purpose, aren't you? I am just trying to follow the logic. It is particularly strange when Costco, the only place here requiring a mask, has their people wearing a Lexan face shield. People really need to make up their mind. Is this flying debris or is it an aerosol? You really need to put any kind of PPE knowledge or general logic on hold to wrap your head around this fad. A face shield is PPE. My dentist has started wearing one. I've not seen anyone in the two Costcos I use wear one. The more you talk, the more I think you either live in a strange place or you're bull****ting. I am not bull****ting. I suppose it may be a strange place but I am sure those people working the doors at Costco were going through 10 masks a day before they were saturated and they came up with another solution. When it gets up to 90 there with 80% R/H , you will understand. |
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#37
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On 6/6/2020 1:41 PM, John wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:17:58 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 08:39:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 7:55 AM, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. LOL. Greg, you are doing this on purpose, aren't you? I am just trying to follow the logic. It is particularly strange when Costco, the only place here requiring a mask, has their people wearing a Lexan face shield. People really need to make up their mind. Is this flying debris or is it an aerosol? You really need to put any kind of PPE knowledge or general logic on hold to wrap your head around this fad. A face shield is PPE. My dentist has started wearing one. I've not seen anyone in the two Costcos I use wear one. The more you talk, the more I think you either live in a strange place or you're bull****ting. I am thinking he's playing with us. I just pointed out in a reply to another post that many people in Asian countries have been wearing masks for decades when out in highly populated areas. It's a cultural thing and, among many reasons, displays courtesy for others they may come in contact with especially if they are coughing or sneezing. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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#38
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/6/2020 1:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? Probably. People in Asian countries have been wearing masks for decades for reasons that include but are not limited to as a courtesy to others. Mostly they wear them because of the intense air pollution is my thought. |
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#39
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On 6/6/2020 2:13 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? Probably. People in Asian countries have been wearing masks for decades for reasons that include but are not limited to as a courtesy to others. Mostly they wear them because of the intense air pollution is my thought. That's true however there are cultural reasons as well. Asians ... especially Japanese ... culturally have respect for each other and will always wear a mask if they have a cold, sniffles or coughs. It's considered to be in very bad taste to be in public with a cold without a mask. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Pallets of bricks
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:54:49 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:39:20 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:13:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:19:26 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:55:00 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:46:49 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:08:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:15:42 -0400, John wrote: snippage get used. Bull****. All kinds of standards right he https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html I've shown you this before, but you choose to disregard it as it doesn't fit your agenda. "Your cloth face covering may protect them. Their cloth face covering may protect you." Note the word "may". We may have snow in Ft Myers but I am not buying a snow shovel. Anything that starts right out with "may work" does not sound like a standard in any scientific sense. Of you showed up at any OSHA regulated work space with a bandanna on your face, they would kick you out. (to avoid a fine) OSHA does have standards about what constitutes a mask. Yes, there is some probability the mask will protect neither. However, there *is* a standard about 'what a mask is'. It is not a standard if anything from an N-95 to a neck gaiter passes the test... ... unless we are just saying any gesture counts. Can I just draw a mask on my face with face paint? You actually got that from the CDC article above? Yes, you can draw a mask on your face with face paint. Just cover it with a real one when you go shopping. That is the flaw in all of this, a "real" what? For the third time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A neck gaiter? They only say they block a certain percentage of U/V light and brag about how easy they are to breathe through. A bandanna that doesn't seal to your face at all? Either will get you into Costco, the only place I have been with a mask policy. OTOH The Costco employees are wearing lexan face shields, not any kind of mask at all. Any contamination that stops is going right down on the surfaces and products in front of them. Keep that in mind when you are opening that roaster chicken or handling that 30 pack of Charmin. These are simply feel good gestures. The purpose of the mask is not to keep things out but to keep them in. Maybe you missed that. Luddite and I should have been more clear. So now handkerchiefs have a magic one way fiber? I suppose they should throw out anyone at Costco with an N-95 that has the valve in front. That is exactly the opposite of what you say these are good for. Read this. It may help. Note that N95 masks are not mentioned. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html A surgical N95 (also referred as a medical respirator) is recommended only for use by healthcare personnel (HCP) who need protection from both airborne and fluid hazards (e.g., splashes, sprays). Of course, there are stupid folks everywhere. They said that to avoid a run on medical supplies that were getting hard to come by but they still wanted to throw a bone to those people who wanted to think they were doing something. Now this issue has gained a life of it's own. Just based on the fact that Costco is giving away surgical masks at the door, I assume the supply chain has caught up. I am now wondering how long this nonsense is going to go on. Is this a phase 3 or a phase 4 thing? Are there going to be people who just wear a mask forever now? Who is 'they'? Again, N95 respirators and surgical masks (face masks) are examples of personal protective equipment that are used to protect the wearer from airborne particles and from liquid contaminating the face. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) also regulate N95 respirators. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...sks-face-masks Is that source good enough for you? Note, "...are used to protect the wearer from airborne particles and from liquid contaminating the face." That's not that hard to understand. That is easy to understand. I have taught classes on PPE. You haven't explained the handkerchief yet. You are also going to have a hard time finding any medical protocol that says you can take your mask off, shove it in your pocket and put it back on again without contaminating everything it touches. Have you noticed that, like Harry, you change the subject with each response? That's what I call 'bobbleheading'. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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