On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:30:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/5/2020 10:54 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

The Dow just hit 27,088. Nice.



I noticed that with some good economic news (or at least
promising) a certain regular poster here has nothing to
say.

Depression can cause that.
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Freedom Isn't Free!

On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:14:41 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.

Thanks, Harry. Always good to hear the down side of positive news!
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Freedom Isn't Free!

On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it
This picture is the perfect example

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webp

The guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normal
mixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there is
the guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.


If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that require
them.

It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but I
have about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policy
by them.

The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouth
has a mask under the hand.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:55:50 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it
This picture is the perfect example

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webp

The guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normal
mixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there is
the guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.


If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that require
them.

It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but I
have about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policy
by them.

The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouth
has a mask under the hand.

I social distance too. Am I off the hook now?

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:59:58 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?

.... but a bandanna or a neck gaiter are perfectly acceptable to the
"mask" gang. In fact Wayne said that was what he used (actually the
first time I knew what you called those U/V protectors I see guys on
boats wearing).

I think the CDC actually uses the term "cloth face covering" is some
of their politically correct writings.

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:56:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:55:50 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it
This picture is the perfect example

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webp

The guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normal
mixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there is
the guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.


If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that require
them.

It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but I
have about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policy
by them.

The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouth
has a mask under the hand.

I social distance too. Am I off the hook now?

Yup, as long as you're outside.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:00:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:59:58 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?

... but a bandanna or a neck gaiter are perfectly acceptable to the
"mask" gang. In fact Wayne said that was what he used (actually the
first time I knew what you called those U/V protectors I see guys on
boats wearing).

So? Some folks wear nothing. That doesn't make them right.

I think the CDC actually uses the term "cloth face covering" is some
of their politically correct writings.

I know it would pain you to read the CDC mask guidelines I posted for you, but
you might give it a shot.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On 6/6/2020 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:55:50 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it
This picture is the perfect example

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webp

The guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normal
mixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there is
the guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.


If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that require
them.

It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but I
have about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policy
by them.

The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouth
has a mask under the hand.



I social distance too. Am I off the hook now?



Yup.

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On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:08:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

A face covering worn by the public during this epedemic is not PPE. Maybe that's where your confusion lies.

PPE is meant to protect the wearer. These face coverings are meant to slow the aerosols that are emmited by the wearer, helping to limit the exposure to people *around* the wearer.

I suspect you, like some I see in public, simply don't like wearing a mask.