On 6/6/2020 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:32:57 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:20:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:22:01 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:00:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:59:58 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?

... but a bandanna or a neck gaiter are perfectly acceptable to the
"mask" gang. In fact Wayne said that was what he used (actually the
first time I knew what you called those U/V protectors I see guys on
boats wearing).

So? Some folks wear nothing. That doesn't make them right.

I think the CDC actually uses the term "cloth face covering" is some
of their politically correct writings.

I know it would pain you to read the CDC mask guidelines I posted for you, but
you might give it a shot.

Post it again and try to get the same one because their "opinion" does
not seem to be that static. They are all over and nothing I have seen,
actually looks like a real study. It is all "may", "might" and
"could".

For the fourth time:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

The fact that all of this is a 'may', 'might', or 'could' seems to give you
trouble. It is all a drap shoot. The hope is to sway the odds in your favor.

Tying garlic around your neck "may" protect you too.

What is missing is any kind of scientific study or proof.
To start with there is no standard to test.

Maybe I am just a victim of working in a couple of different
industries that have standards and I was taught if there is no
standard, there is no assurance the product is doing anything.

Would you use a space heater that wasn't U/L (or some other NTRL)
listed?
Would you use a seat belt that did not pass the NHTSA standards?
How about an airbag?

The
only sure way to prevent catching the virus is to put a plastic bag over your
head and zip-tie it tightly around your neck.




That is not really effective either if you are still handling the bag
and then touching your face. I also have demonstrated with my oxygen
meter than you are not that far off when you are trying to breathe
through a damp surgical mask.


My blood oxygen dropped 10%, just
carrying the Costco stuff in from the car.


Quit smoking.

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On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 14:13:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:32:57 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:20:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:22:01 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:00:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:59:58 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?

... but a bandanna or a neck gaiter are perfectly acceptable to the
"mask" gang. In fact Wayne said that was what he used (actually the
first time I knew what you called those U/V protectors I see guys on
boats wearing).

So? Some folks wear nothing. That doesn't make them right.

I think the CDC actually uses the term "cloth face covering" is some
of their politically correct writings.

I know it would pain you to read the CDC mask guidelines I posted for you, but
you might give it a shot.

Post it again and try to get the same one because their "opinion" does
not seem to be that static. They are all over and nothing I have seen,
actually looks like a real study. It is all "may", "might" and
"could".

For the fourth time:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

The fact that all of this is a 'may', 'might', or 'could' seems to give you
trouble. It is all a drap shoot. The hope is to sway the odds in your favor.

Tying garlic around your neck "may" protect you too.

What is missing is any kind of scientific study or proof.
To start with there is no standard to test.

Maybe I am just a victim of working in a couple of different
industries that have standards and I was taught if there is no
standard, there is no assurance the product is doing anything.

Would you use a space heater that wasn't U/L (or some other NTRL)
listed?
Would you use a seat belt that did not pass the NHTSA standards?
How about an airbag?

The
only sure way to prevent catching the virus is to put a plastic bag over your
head and zip-tie it tightly around your neck.

That is not really effective either if you are still handling the bag
and then touching your face. I also have demonstrated with my oxygen
meter than you are not that far off when you are trying to breathe
through a damp surgical mask. My blood oxygen dropped 10%, just
carrying the Costco stuff in from the car.

I've never seen a scientific study that resulted in 100% certainty, and I doubt
if you have either. So your argument against 'may', 'might', or 'could' is
bull****.

Oh, if you put the bag over your head and tightly zip-tie it, you're safe from
the virus. I didn't say anything about touching it or taking it off. Of course,
you 'may' die from a lack of air.
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On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:32:10 -0400, wrote:

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.

How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.
This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.

===

With all due respect I think you are being too literal about the mask
issue. I agree that the lack of standards and procedures would fall
short of what is needed in an operating room or "clean room."

On the other hand we are dealing with a situation that is not well
understood on many different levels. I'd argue that even if masks or
other face coverings are not 100% effective. they are a step in the
right direction, probably help to some unknown extent, and help to
remind everyone to be careful.

We do know for sure that something is working as reflected in the
lower rates of infection and death. That's a good thing regardless of
cause, especially for those of us who qualify as senior citizens. It's
also a good thing for the economy and a return to some semblence of
normalacy.

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck
gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.



How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.

This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.


Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.

Hence my reference to this fad.

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:36:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:32:57 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:20:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:22:01 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:00:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:59:58 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:07:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised
all economists and their dour predictions.

Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million.

Unemployment drops to 13.3 percent
from 14.7 percent in April.

(Predictions were for unemployment to rise to
19 to 20 percent.)

Data is through the middle (12th) of May that
included only the early stages of "opening"
the country. Next month's data could be much
better if this trend continues.

How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment
from a system that failed from the overload?
I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical.
I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these
shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt
around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy.
We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the
other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside
at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools
so people could spread out but other than that it was business as
normal. Not a mask in sight.
It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on.



LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.


Just the useless gesture aspect of it

Unless I missed where you said you have an advanced degree in "pandemic virus transmission mechanics", you really have zero standing to proclaim it as being useless.

You saying stuff like that reeks of being harry-esque. Just saying.

I have spent many hours in classes about PPE. I do understand what
masks are all about.
If a bandanna loosely tied around your face is a mask, there is no
such thing as a mask.

In the CDC article, which I'm sure you've read all three times I shared it with
you, did you see any mention of bandannas?

... but a bandanna or a neck gaiter are perfectly acceptable to the
"mask" gang. In fact Wayne said that was what he used (actually the
first time I knew what you called those U/V protectors I see guys on
boats wearing).

So? Some folks wear nothing. That doesn't make them right.

I think the CDC actually uses the term "cloth face covering" is some
of their politically correct writings.

I know it would pain you to read the CDC mask guidelines I posted for you, but
you might give it a shot.

Post it again and try to get the same one because their "opinion" does
not seem to be that static. They are all over and nothing I have seen,
actually looks like a real study. It is all "may", "might" and
"could".

For the fourth time:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

The fact that all of this is a 'may', 'might', or 'could' seems to give you
trouble. It is all a drap shoot. The hope is to sway the odds in your favor.

Tying garlic around your neck "may" protect you too.

What is missing is any kind of scientific study or proof.
To start with there is no standard to test.

Maybe I am just a victim of working in a couple of different
industries that have standards and I was taught if there is no
standard, there is no assurance the product is doing anything.

Would you use a space heater that wasn't U/L (or some other NTRL)
listed?
Would you use a seat belt that did not pass the NHTSA standards?
How about an airbag?

The
only sure way to prevent catching the virus is to put a plastic bag over your
head and zip-tie it tightly around your neck.




That is not really effective either if you are still handling the bag
and then touching your face. I also have demonstrated with my oxygen
meter than you are not that far off when you are trying to breathe
through a damp surgical mask.


My blood oxygen dropped 10%, just
carrying the Costco stuff in from the car.


Quit smoking.

25 years or so ago and then it was an occasional cigar.
I never had a cigarette habit.
My oxygen usually runs 98-99.

On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck
gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.





How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.



This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.






Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.


Hence my reference to this fad.




Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad.




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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and
neck
gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.



How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.

This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.




Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.

Hence my reference to this fad.



Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad.

Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and
until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not
buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it.

To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus,
that is according to every article you have posted.

If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated
and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****.

On 6/7/2020 4:44 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and

neck

gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.



How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.

This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.






Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.

Hence my reference to this fad.




Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad.


Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and
until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not
buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it.

To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus,
that is according to every article you have posted.

If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated
and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****.




I don't "handle" a mask all day long. Do you?

I wear one (as required in this state) when getting out of my truck to
enter a store.

I take it off when I get back in my truck, using a spray bottle of
hand sanitizer I keep in the truck before removing mask.

I'll usually use the same mask that day *if* I have to go out again
which is very rarely. I throw it away and use a fresh one the next
day if I have to go out to a store.

Otherwise, I don't wear one because I am not in close proximity
to other people.

Total amount of time I wear a mask a day on average? About 15 minutes.

Oh ... I haven't caught the virus yet either that I know of.
But if I have .... at least I feel I am doing the responsible
thing to minimize the potential that I might spread it to
someone else.








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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 16:58:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/7/2020 4:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and
neck
gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.



How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.

This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.




Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.

Hence my reference to this fad.



Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad.

Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and
until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not
buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it.

To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus,
that is according to every article you have posted.

If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated
and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****.



I don't "handle" a mask all day long. Do you?


It is what they just told me to do. Put it on, go in a store come out,
take it off and repeat for every store I go into.

Evidently you folks don't do as much as I do in a day.

On 6/7/2020 5:55 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 16:58:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On 6/7/2020 4:44 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

John Wrote in message:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do
understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and
neck
gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free!

Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in
the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do
it then monitary reasons just might.



How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people
wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree
but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless
gestures.

This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to
get the hostages back.




Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons
only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*.

Hence my reference to this fad.



Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad.

Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and
until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not
buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it.

To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus,
that is according to every article you have posted.

If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated
and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****.




I don't "handle" a mask all day long. Do you?







It is what they just told me to do. Put it on, go in a store come out,
take it off and repeat for every store I go into.

Evidently you folks don't do as much as I do in a day.



Which is why you should be in the habit of wearing a mask! :-)






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