On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 00:40:40 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

On 11/23/20 6:54 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:59 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 18:39:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/22/20 5:25 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/22/20 2:31 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 22 November 2020 at 14:34:07 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/22/20 11:17 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 08:39:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Donald Trump made explicit Saturday the strategy his legal team has been
hinting at for days: He wants Republican-led legislatures to overturn
election results in states that Joe Biden won.

"Why is Joe Biden so quickly forming a Cabinet when my investigators
have found hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, enough to ?flip?
at least four States, which in turn is more than enough to win the
Election?" Trump said, despite *refusing to produce any such evidence*
either publicly or in court cases filed by his attorneys.


Trump's investigators, led by his Mascara Man Lawyer, Rudee Jeweleanni.

===

I have thought for many years that Trump's behavior was lower that
whale **** at 2,000 fathoms, lower than pond scum even. His recent
actions have removed any doubt.


Trump is doing tremendous harm to this country in many ways, and he just
doesn't give a damn. Of course, he never did. That he still has so much
support says awful things about Americans. I have often compared Trump
to what I have read and seen about Mussolini, and I wonder if he will
come to the same end.

I am not sure it is tremendous harm. Maybe it will bring about reforms.
Maybe Chicago may not be able to get dead people to rise up and vote.
Maybe we will actually purge the voter rolls of people who have moved and
reregistered. Harm is Nancy Pelosi! Holding up any stimulus bill until
after the election. Standing hidebound for a $2.2 trillion stimulus
package. Will not negotiate. That is harm. Screw the people of the
country, so we can take over the government completely. Sounds like a
dictatorship. Sort of like, we will expand the SCOTUS with OUR PEOPLE and
override any thing against OUR agenda.



Sure sounds like y'all need to reform your system.
In a federal election, procedures should be the same all across the
country. Your system of "states rights" are way out of kilter for a
modern progressive country. It's like you're stuck in 1776.


I agree that all federal elections should follow all the same rules in
every state.


You should have taken a Civics course or paid attention in class.


Why should elections for federal offices be held by different rules in
different states?

The Constitution did not require that Senators be voted in at all
until 1913 (17th amendment) and the selection of electors to the EC is
still up to the state legislatures. It would require another amendment
to change that.


That.


The fact is the process is hopelessly outdated. There is no logical
reason to have a crazy quilt of laws and equipment across the states for
federal office elections.


As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail. Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.


Thats how it works in Florida. Didja notice how smoothly that went.

Florida did sort of show 21st century voting is easy if you started 20
years ago and thought about it. There was no drama with the mail vote.
The lines at the polls were reasonable and usually just when they
opened. We have a solid paper trail and we had our vote counted by
midnight.

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if donÂ’t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

--
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452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex.
Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to
insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination.
In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three.

On 11/23/20 10:45 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don’t drive, you still get a state id.

lessee which tribe argued against voter id.
===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.

lessee, which tribe argued against voter id.
--
Joe needs to show a little transparency

On 11/24/20 7:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don’t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

Thats the biggest pile of bull**** you've laid on us in a while.
Undocumented folks should be deported to Venezuela or Siberia or Iran.
I'm a low income minority and I jumped through the hoops to get one. You
probably did too.
--
Joe needs to show a little transparency

On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:15:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

They really have to look pretty hard to find one of these people who
never had any kind of government assistance, No SS, No
Medicare/Medicaid, never cashed a check, never got on a plane or never
drove a car.
It is certainly a not a "lot of people" minority or not.
We are rapidly becoming a country where you can't do anything without
a government issued picture ID. Why should voting be any different?

On 11/24/20 9:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:15:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

They really have to look pretty hard to find one of these people who
never had any kind of government assistance, No SS, No
Medicare/Medicaid, never cashed a check, never got on a plane or never
drove a car.
It is certainly a not a "lot of people" minority or not.
We are rapidly becoming a country where you can't do anything without
a government issued picture ID. Why should voting be any different?


What fun would it be if only qualified voters could vote?
--
Joe needs to show a little transparency

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:15:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:15:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.
They really have to look pretty hard to find one of these people who
never had any kind of government assistance, No SS, No
Medicare/Medicaid, never cashed a check, never got on a plane or never
drove a car.
It is certainly a not a "lot of people" minority or not.

Greg, they are all over the place... in some tiny hidden village in the Brazilian rain forest.

I keep hearing that the election was the most "secure" in history. I believe it. It was secured against internet hacking from other countries. The Dems didn't hack it to cheat, they did it right out in the open with manufactured ballots, refusing to allow vote counting oversight, "losing" ballots from conservative areas, etc. All pretty low tech stuff that has been going on for years.

Hell, our local election board suppresses conservative voting by not having enough voting places and voting machines in those places, thereby creating long lines and waits to vote. Yet our local networks show short lines and ample equipment in the liberal areas. So who is really suppressing who?

On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:15:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

===

I don't buy that. You can't even get into a doctor's office without
ID these days.

On 11/24/20 10:18 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:15:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if don?t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.

===

I don't buy that. You can't even get into a doctor's office without
ID these days.

Every so often you seem to get a whiff of fresh air.:-)
--
Joe needs to show a little transparency

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:54:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

As long as he equipment can be certified and not hacked, no problem having
different systems. I still think a paper ballot you Mark and then the
machine scans right away to make sure is correctly filled out is the best.
Then also a paper trail.

=== That's how it's done in Florida.

Also think there should be an ID required. Not a
problem for anybody legal. You have to have ID for beer, the Doctor, the
bank, to drive and if donÂ’t drive, you still get a state id.

===

I agree, never understood the arguments against it.


Hard for dead people to show ID.


Problems arise in areas where the Republican-controlled state
governments deliberately minimize the availability of places to get such
an ID and the acceptability of what paperwork is necessary to get an ID.
This is especially true in rural areas. A lot of minorities and low
income people don't have the ability to get to a place where you can
apply for an ID and they don't have the documents you need to get one.


What a crock of bull****. Those same people seem to be able to register
for food stamps, free medical, get to the store for supplies. They even
seem to be able to vote now.