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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:51:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos === The engineering and execution of that chain cutting rig is incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifMT70bM1G0 |
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Bill wrote:
https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos That's a huge undertaking.Â* No wonder it's taken so long. |
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On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. |
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Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. |
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On 12/12/20 11:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. A 4000 car carrier is barely average by today's standards. Many can carry a few thousand more. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three. |
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. === They rely on ballast tanks to keep them on an even keel. Someone screwed up with the tank management. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/12/20 11:11 PM, Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. A 4000 car carrier is barely average by today's standards. Many can carry a few thousand more. They are still very tall for a ship. And not super deep draft. Lots of the Asian cars come in to Benicia which is in the north of the bay, pretty much where the Sacramento River dumps in to the bay. |
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On 12/13/20 12:27 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/20 11:11 PM, Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. A 4000 car carrier is barely average by today's standards. Many can carry a few thousand more. They are still very tall for a ship. And not super deep draft. Lots of the Asian cars come in to Benicia which is in the north of the bay, pretty much where the Sacramento River dumps in to the bay. I've seen these car-carrier ships out on Chesapeake Bay once in a while, heading to the Port of Baltimore. No idea what size they were, in terms of car capacity. They are ugly ships and as you note seem top heavy. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three...insulting, witless, and deadly dull. |
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On 12/12/20 11:48 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. === They rely on ballast tanks to keep them on an even keel. Someone screwed up with the tank management. And of course, unlike the passengers on cruise ships, the cars on the car-carrying ships don't come down with gastric illnesses! :) -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three. |
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:32:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/12/20 11:48 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. === They rely on ballast tanks to keep them on an even keel. Someone screwed up with the tank management. And of course, unlike the passengers on cruise ships, the cars on the car-carrying ships don't come down with gastric illnesses! :) === True that. I've heard it explained that cars are a relatively light cargo density compared to normal freight. That allows them to build the ships higher but makes ballast management more critical. https://gcaptain.com/coast-guard-medevac-cougar-ace/ |
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:48:19 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. === They rely on ballast tanks to keep them on an even keel. Someone screwed up with the tank management. Was there a problem with the depth of the water? They may have been trying to cheat over a shallow spot and pumped out 12,000 pounds of water but I can't imagine that making much difference on a 71KT vessel. |
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:39:28 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:32:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/20 11:48 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 04:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle. === They rely on ballast tanks to keep them on an even keel. Someone screwed up with the tank management. And of course, unlike the passengers on cruise ships, the cars on the car-carrying ships don't come down with gastric illnesses! :) === True that. I've heard it explained that cars are a relatively light cargo density compared to normal freight. That allows them to build the ships higher but makes ballast management more critical. https://gcaptain.com/coast-guard-medevac-cougar-ace/ Yup, there is a lot of air in a car and they can't really pack them in that tight without dinging them up. A load of grain will have a much higher density. |
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On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 10:29:52 UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/20 12:27 AM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/20 11:11 PM, Bill wrote: Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:51:38 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: https://weather.com/news/news/2020-1...le-cars-photos 4000 cars??? Doesn't seem possible. That is, unless you take into consideration that the theaters on modern passenger cruise lines can have a capacity of over 2500 people. .. These ships are tall also. Did not surprise me that one turned turtle.. A 4000 car carrier is barely average by today's standards. Many can carry a few thousand more. They are still very tall for a ship. And not super deep draft. Lots of the Asian cars come in to Benicia which is in the north of the bay, pretty much where the Sacramento River dumps in to the bay. I've seen these car-carrier ships out on Chesapeake Bay once in a while, heading to the Port of Baltimore. No idea what size they were, in terms of car capacity. They are ugly ships and as you note seem top heavy. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three...insulting, witless, and deadly dull. Yes, we get car carrier ships here on a regular basis. They unload hundreds of vehicles at Autoport on the east side of our harbour. That is a great spot sheltered from the predominate winds by MacNabs Island. The ships are big slab sided ugly vessels but guide a sight when near you on the water Most of the vehicles are loaded on special trains headed inland with a fraction kept here for the local market. |
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