On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

Now, I'll go along with that post.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:29:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:58:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 4:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.




If the news reporters actually were not extensions of the two primary
parties, they could.


What is your basis for saying that? Most libertarians who attempt to run
for federal office are nutcases, like Ron and Rand Paul, and they
usually run as Republicans, which is, after all, what they are by
another name. Many libertarian positions are outright insane,
considering the realities of modern society.

OK lets look at them.

Get rid of social security
and replace it with private charity? Really?

No the proposal was to replace SS with private investment and it came
from Barry Goldwater back when it was a viable option. We stayed with
the Ponzi and it is now upside down. We are borrowing money to make up
the shortfall. That is not viable for much longer. If I could have
just invested my FICA money in IBM stock I would have millions now,
even with the horrible IBM performance lately. In an index fund I
would have done better.

Ending prohibitions against dangerous addicting drugs?

Yeah, because the war on drugs has been so successful.
There are more people (per 100,000) addicted to opioids now than there
were when the drug war started.
All the drug war has done is turn our cities into combat zones,
corrupt the police and incarcerate about 100,000 people a year, mostly
people of color, for non-violent drug "crimes". Nixon's drug war has
put more black people in involuntary servitude than Lincoln freed.
The countries that have decriminalized drugs saw no real increase in
addiction. They just saw a drop in crime and political corruption.

Easier access to firearms?

Have our laws actually reduced the availability of firearms? The
places with the strictest laws have the most gun crime. Some laws are
just stupid, like equating a .22rf suppressor to a 50 cal machine gun.

Ending the public school system?

Another abject failure. We spend more than any other country to show
up around #26 in achievement. Private secular schools are a much
better bang for the buck and the Catholics blow them all away.

Endling environmental controls?

Not all environmental controls, just the arbitrary ones that cause
great financial and personal harm, returning very little in
environmental good.

No governmental oversight of health care?

I notice when that oversight offends the population as a whole, you
want to bypass it, like with this C-19 vaccine. If you just have an
orphan disease, wait 5-10 years, we will approve your drugs
eventually. Again an arbitrary policy that tends to make the US the
place with the most expensive drugs on the planet.

No controls on movement of capital?

We have that now?
Only when it is politically expedient. Bear in mind it was Bill
Clinton who gutted the regulations on the banks in the 90s and Barney
Frank who directed them to make NINJA loans to unqualified borrowers
through Fannie and Freddie.
The reality is the 2008-9 bailouts only kicked the can down the road,
We just borrowed the money to patch the hole and because the people
responsible, bought the government, they got bailed out on the tax
payer's dime. The average Joe took the hit.
Yeah government was the answer ... if you are Goldman Sachs.

Libertarianism is the ultimate in "I've got mine, **** you".

Socialism is "You earned yours so now give it to some lazy ****er who
refuses to work".
The only place it comes close to working is where they have a
totalitarian government like Cuba or a cultural work ethic,
monoculture like some Scandinavian countries. Even those places are
starting to see their socialism fraying around the edges as the worker
generation is dying off and their snowflakes are coming of age.

That was well done!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 07:35:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:58:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 4:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.




If the news reporters actually were not extensions of the two primary
parties, they could.


What is your basis for saying that? Most libertarians who attempt to run
for federal office are nutcases, like Ron and Rand Paul, and they
usually run as Republicans, which is, after all, what they are by
another name. Many libertarian positions are outright insane,
considering the realities of modern society.

OK lets look at them.


No, thanks. I've seen the loonytarian bull**** from you too many times.

In other words, it was so well done that you cannot make a comeback.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:29:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:58:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 4:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.




If the news reporters actually were not extensions of the two primary
parties, they could.


What is your basis for saying that? Most libertarians who attempt to run
for federal office are nutcases, like Ron and Rand Paul, and they
usually run as Republicans, which is, after all, what they are by
another name. Many libertarian positions are outright insane,
considering the realities of modern society.

OK lets look at them.

Get rid of social security
and replace it with private charity? Really?

No the proposal was to replace SS with private investment and it came
from Barry Goldwater back when it was a viable option. We stayed with
the Ponzi and it is now upside down. We are borrowing money to make up
the shortfall. That is not viable for much longer. If I could have
just invested my FICA money in IBM stock I would have millions now,
even with the horrible IBM performance lately. In an index fund I
would have done better.

Ending prohibitions against dangerous addicting drugs?

Yeah, because the war on drugs has been so successful.
There are more people (per 100,000) addicted to opioids now than there
were when the drug war started.
All the drug war has done is turn our cities into combat zones,
corrupt the police and incarcerate about 100,000 people a year, mostly
people of color, for non-violent drug "crimes". Nixon's drug war has
put more black people in involuntary servitude than Lincoln freed.
The countries that have decriminalized drugs saw no real increase in
addiction. They just saw a drop in crime and political corruption.

Easier access to firearms?

Have our laws actually reduced the availability of firearms? The
places with the strictest laws have the most gun crime. Some laws are
just stupid, like equating a .22rf suppressor to a 50 cal machine gun.

Ending the public school system?

Another abject failure. We spend more than any other country to show
up around #26 in achievement. Private secular schools are a much
better bang for the buck and the Catholics blow them all away.

Endling environmental controls?

Not all environmental controls, just the arbitrary ones that cause
great financial and personal harm, returning very little in
environmental good.

No governmental oversight of health care?

I notice when that oversight offends the population as a whole, you
want to bypass it, like with this C-19 vaccine. If you just have an
orphan disease, wait 5-10 years, we will approve your drugs
eventually. Again an arbitrary policy that tends to make the US the
place with the most expensive drugs on the planet.

No controls on movement of capital?

We have that now?
Only when it is politically expedient. Bear in mind it was Bill
Clinton who gutted the regulations on the banks in the 90s and Barney
Frank who directed them to make NINJA loans to unqualified borrowers
through Fannie and Freddie.
The reality is the 2008-9 bailouts only kicked the can down the road,
We just borrowed the money to patch the hole and because the people
responsible, bought the government, they got bailed out on the tax
payer's dime. The average Joe took the hit.
Yeah government was the answer ... if you are Goldman Sachs.

Libertarianism is the ultimate in "I've got mine, **** you".

Socialism is "You earned yours so now give it to some lazy ****er who
refuses to work".
The only place it comes close to working is where they have a
totalitarian government like Cuba or a cultural work ethic,
monoculture like some Scandinavian countries. Even those places are
starting to see their socialism fraying around the edges as the worker
generation is dying off and their snowflakes are coming of age.


Notice Harry didn't address this

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 07:35:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:58:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 4:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.




If the news reporters actually were not extensions of the two primary
parties, they could.


What is your basis for saying that? Most libertarians who attempt to run
for federal office are nutcases, like Ron and Rand Paul, and they
usually run as Republicans, which is, after all, what they are by
another name. Many libertarian positions are outright insane,
considering the realities of modern society.

OK lets look at them.


No, thanks. I've seen the loonytarian bull**** from you too many times.

So you can't refute it point by point, you just close your eyes and
say no.

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:24:24 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:03:00 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 03:24:05 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:55:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.

That just points out the flaws in the "pay to play" American political
system. If Dr Jorgensen had the $1,625,604,266 Biden spent she might
have won. More likely the race would have ended up in the house where
Trump would have won.


The Dems control the House. There’s no hope for the Republi-Tarians.

A little civics lesson. In choosing the president each state only gets
one vote so California and New York are exactly the same size as
Wyoming and Idaho.

===

That doesn't sound right. Please explain.

Article II section 1(3) ref counting the electors ... and if no
person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the
said House shall in like manner choose the president. But in choosing
the president, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation
from each state having one vote...

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:24:05 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 07:35:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:58:51 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/20 4:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:03:22 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:01:48 -0500, wrote:

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House

Laverne and Shirley would have polled as well as Biden/Harris. It was
just an anti-trump protest vote, having nothing to do with the
strength of the democrat candidates.

===

I agree. If Trump had not behaved like such a lying, scumbag arse'l
he probably would have been re-elected. His ego must have led him to
believe that he had a blank check to do anything he wanted.

We are certainly on the race to the bottom. Hillary couldn't beat
Trump but she crushed Biden in the primaries. Now Biden is the great
white haired hope.
I wonder what it would take to get qualified applicants for that job.

The candidates you support couldn't run unopposed as libertarians and
win a race for dogcatcher.




If the news reporters actually were not extensions of the two primary
parties, they could.


What is your basis for saying that? Most libertarians who attempt to run
for federal office are nutcases, like Ron and Rand Paul, and they
usually run as Republicans, which is, after all, what they are by
another name. Many libertarian positions are outright insane,
considering the realities of modern society.

OK lets look at them.


No, thanks. I've seen the loonytarian bull**** from you too many times.

So you can't refute it point by point, you just close your eyes and
say no.

Typical. I'm surprised he or Donnie doesn't tell you they don't respond to
'orders'.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 5:58:12 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
Joe and Kamala...

https://ibb.co/Xjcq8sx

Losers of the Year...

Donald Trump and His Deranged Supporters.


Mcconeel was twelve points up. how?

mk5000

My son was one of a kind. You're the first of a kind.--Professor Hobby in AI

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 7:46:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 06:58:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Joe and Kamala...

https://ibb.co/Xjcq8sx

That is just pandering if you actually follow their normal criteria.
Joe and Kammy really haven't had that much influence on much this
year. Their main claim to fame so far is they weren't Trump.
The selection may be premature anyway.
Mike Pence might very well be a better candidate if Trump quits.
His last couple weeks may influence the country more than anyone else
this year.

That too. But I doubt it. Lindsey Graham sort of wins over Pence

But Lindsey for some reason was particularly furious about Justice Kegstand most of all, almost like it was a personal slight against him, and he is really determined to get revenge for it. Unusually angry, even more than any other senator. He says this is what caused him to renege on his Scotus promise. I would credit him more

He’s already even said that he will vote against every single Dem nominee, qualified or not, for the rest of his career just to get retribution for it.

Which sadly is to go on for four more years, as Jamie Jamie Harrison failed to replace him.

Order of people I want to see gone:
Trump
McConnell
Lindsey

Every other GOP member is fourth.

mk5000

Come away O human child
To the waters and the wild
With a fairy hand in hand
For the world's more full of weeping
Than you can understand.
A quoting of "The Stolen Child" (1889) by William Butler Yeats

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 7:59:01 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/20 8:46 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 06:58:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Joe and Kamala...

https://ibb.co/Xjcq8sx


That is just pandering if you actually follow their normal criteria.
Joe and Kammy really haven't had that much influence on much this
year. Their main claim to fame so far is they weren't Trump.
The selection may be premature anyway.
Mike Pence might very well be a better candidate if Trump quits.
His last couple weeks may influence the country more than anyone else
this year.

Joe and Kamala have pushed the pig out of the White House and restored
hope that we might have a government again that believes in science, has
empathy, and is not run by incompetent, racist buffoons. That's good
enough for Time and for me, too. Also, Biden ran the most unusual
campaign for president, I believe, in this country's history.

If Pence wants a political future, he'd best perform rationally if Trump
leaves before 20 January. Otherwise, history will recall him as just
another Trump ass-kisser.
--

He’s not gonna run.
He’s gonna get destroyed by his GOP colleagues.
Much, much worse than “low IQ idiot” even.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if the gop censures him and forces him out altogether.
Even if he can prance clap

mk5000

It’s definitely been a tough year for event, given high volatility and underperformance, it wouldn’t be surprising to see even more outflows in 2016.--Jonathan Lubert