Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.


Wow. Herring the Racist is still obsessed with me. Funny and sad,bigly.

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On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:05:09 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.

Yes, I believe he's done a lot of damage to the Republican party. I am part of
that large section of the population who believes there was a lot of Democrat
controlled foul play in this election. Enough to make a difference? I don't
know. But when states violate their own constitutions, something is amiss.
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Freedom Isn't Free!

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:51:43 -0500, John wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:05:09 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.

Yes, I believe he's done a lot of damage to the Republican party. I am part of
that large section of the population who believes there was a lot of Democrat
controlled foul play in this election. Enough to make a difference? I don't
know. But when states violate their own constitutions, something is amiss.

===

Claims of foul play and constitutional violations should be
investigated and substantiated. Rumor and inuendo is not enough.
Plenty of Republicans are still being elected so the chances of
selective foul play at only the presidential level seem unlikely. More
likely to me is that large numbers of people began to see through
Trump's dishonest bluff and bluster, enough for him to not only lose
the popular vote in a big way, but also the electoral vote.

wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 19:26:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/5/21 7:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:45:25 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 09:54:14 -0500, John wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 11:39:30 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 08:24:01 -0500, John wrote:

The boy is hurting our Senate chances in GA. What a dumb ****!

https://ix.cnn.io/audio/20210102-tru...phone-call.mp3

===

Beyond stupid, probably criminal. I give Raffensperger a lot of
credit for pushing back so forthrightly.

How anyone could believe that Trump is not a threat to democracy after
that conversation is beyond me.

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

The whole last 4 years sets quite a number of bad precedents. The
unrelenting attack on the presidency is far worse that the GW Bush
administration, Clinton or even Nixon in the middle of Watergate.
There doesn't seem to be anything out of bounds these days. When a TV
person can call the president's daughter a "feckless ****" on the air
and not even have a ripple in their career, something has gone
terribly wrong. Amy Schumer makes Roseanne look like a saint and
Roseanne lost her job over an off the air comment that was a lot more
innocuous.
When they start viciously attacking Biden, his wife and his children,
with the most scurrilous comments, don't say it is unprecedented.
No, it has been made mainstream.


Which Trump daughter is the feckless ****?
===

https://www.google.com/search?q=president%27s+daughter+a+%22feckless+**** %22&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS925US925&oq=president%27s+daug hter+a+%22feckless+****%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.4257j 0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What kind of feckless **** is Samantha Bee? Never heard of her.


Not something I would follow, but I would guess the one with all the
cosmetic surgery and the overdone fake tits.

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On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 14:34:54 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.


Wow. Herring the Racist is still obsessed with me. Funny and sad,bigly.

Wayne, so as not to hurt your feelings (I imagine) deleted the important part
which fits both you and Trump:

Compare this to Trump and Harry:

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder

Grandiose sense of self-importance
Grandiosity is the defining characteristic of narcissism. More than just
arrogance or vanity, grandiosity is an unrealistic sense of superiority.
Narcissists believe they are unique or “special” and can only be understood by
other special people. What’s more, they are too good for anything average or
ordinary. They only want to associate and be associated with other high-status
people, places, and things.

Narcissists also believe that they’re better than everyone else and expect
recognition as such—even when they’ve done nothing to earn it. They will often
exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents. And when they
talk about work or relationships, all you’ll hear is how much they contribute,
how great they are, and how lucky the people in their lives are to have them.
They are the undisputed star and everyone else is at best a bit player.

Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur
Since reality doesn’t support their grandiose view of themselves, narcissists
live in a fantasy world propped up by distortion, self-deception, and magical
thinking. They spin self-glorifying fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, attractiveness, and ideal love that make them feel special and in
control. These fantasies protect them from feelings of inner emptiness and
shame, so facts and opinions that contradict them are ignored or rationalized
away. Anything that threatens to burst the fantasy bubble is met with extreme
defensiveness and even rage, so those around the narcissist learn to tread
carefully around their denial of reality.

Needs constant praise and admiration
A narcissist’s sense of superiority is like a balloon that gradually loses air
without a steady stream of applause and recognition to keep it inflated. The
occasional compliment is not enough. Narcissists need constant food for their
ego, so they surround themselves with people who are willing to cater to their
obsessive craving for affirmation. These relationships are very one-sided. It’s
all about what the admirer can do for the narcissist, never the other way
around. And if there is ever an interruption or diminishment in the admirer’s
attention and praise, the narcissist treats it as a betrayal.

Sense of entitlement
Because they consider themselves special, narcissists expect favorable treatment
as their due. They truly believe that whatever they want, they should get. They
also expect the people around them to automatically comply with their every wish
and whim. That is their only value. If you don’t anticipate and meet their every
need, then you’re useless. And if you have the nerve to defy their will or
“selfishly” ask for something in return, prepare yourself for aggression,
outrage, or the cold shoulder.

Exploits others without guilt or shame
Narcissists never develop the ability to identify with the feelings of others—to
put themselves in other people’s shoes. In other words, they lack empathy. In
many ways, they view the people in their lives as objects—there to serve their
needs. As a consequence, they don’t think twice about taking advantage of others
to achieve their own ends. Sometimes this interpersonal exploitation is
malicious, but often it is simply oblivious. Narcissists simply don’t think
about how their behavior affects others. And if you point it out, they still
won’t truly get it. The only thing they understand is their own needs.

Frequently demeans, intimidates, bullies, or belittles others
Narcissists feel threatened whenever they encounter someone who appears to have
something they lack—especially those who are confident and popular. They’re also
threatened by people who don’t kowtow to them or who challenge them in any way.
Their defense mechanism is contempt. The only way to neutralize the threat and
prop up their own sagging ego is to put those people down. They may do it in a
patronizing or dismissive way as if to demonstrate how little the other person
means to them. Or they may go on the attack with insults, name-calling,
bullying, and threats to force the other person back into line

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/m...y-disorder.htm
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Freedom Isn't Free!
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Freedom Isn't Free!

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:07:01 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:51:43 -0500, John wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:05:09 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.

Yes, I believe he's done a lot of damage to the Republican party. I am part of
that large section of the population who believes there was a lot of Democrat
controlled foul play in this election. Enough to make a difference? I don't
know. But when states violate their own constitutions, something is amiss.

===

Claims of foul play and constitutional violations should be
investigated and substantiated. Rumor and inuendo is not enough.
Plenty of Republicans are still being elected so the chances of
selective foul play at only the presidential level seem unlikely. More
likely to me is that large numbers of people began to see through
Trump's dishonest bluff and bluster, enough for him to not only lose
the popular vote in a big way, but also the electoral vote.

When the investigators and substantiators are part of the foul play and
constitutional violations, getting a fair and just outcome is somewhat
difficult.

--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.


Maybe Trump actually did some good with his cockamamie theories. Maybe we
will get better control of our elections. Maybe will stop the dead of
Chicago rising each Election Day. Maybe will in California won’t get
voters bussed from the citizenship ceremony to the polls to vote.
Representative Sanchez did that a few years ago. Legally they could not
register until becoming citizens. Maybe will get a better handle on the
voting machines. I think Florida in he panhandle had the best system.
Paper ballot, you ran through a scanner that told you if it was properly
filled out. No duplicates, warned if missing a section, and gave a paper
trail. Maybe require ID. And don’t tell me it is racist. The poor
require ID for welfare medical visits, etc.

On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:19:18 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.


Maybe Trump actually did some good with his cockamamie theories. Maybe we
will get better control of our elections. Maybe will stop the dead of
Chicago rising each Election Day. Maybe will in California won’t get
voters bussed from the citizenship ceremony to the polls to vote.
Representative Sanchez did that a few years ago. Legally they could not
register until becoming citizens. Maybe will get a better handle on the
voting machines. I think Florida in he panhandle had the best system.
Paper ballot, you ran through a scanner that told you if it was properly
filled out. No duplicates, warned if missing a section, and gave a paper
trail. Maybe require ID. And don’t tell me it is racist. The poor
require ID for welfare medical visits, etc.

Harry wants those who've been innoculated for Covid to carry a card. But asking
them to carry voting ID is racist.
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On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:53:04 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:

What kind of feckless **** is Samantha Bee? Never heard of her.

Not something I would follow, but I would guess the one with all the
cosmetic surgery and the overdone fake tits.

Ah, so that's who Samantha Bee is. Thanks!

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 12:17:29 -0500, John wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:07:01 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:51:43 -0500, John wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:05:09 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 08:13:01 -0500, John wrote:

China is a much bigger threat to Democracy than Trump would ever be. This is not
Nigeria.

===

Agreed that China is a long term external threat.

Trying to overturn a valid election with bogus claims, threats and
intimidation is a very real internal threat. It also sets a dangerous
precedent for the future. Hopefully some of the perpetrators will be
prosecuted to discourage future attempts.

No, Wayne, it is not an internal threat. It is an exercise in stupid futility.
He, like Harry, has a narcissistic disorder. But, there are enough good people
in this country to keep him in check.

===

Let's hope that proves to be correct, and it probably will, at least
for now. A lot of damage has been done however, especially to the
Republican party which has become highly fractionalized. We also now
have large sections of the population who believe that the election
process is rigged and invalid, and large sections of the population
that believe in cockamamie conspiracy theories. With any luck Trump
himself will fade into obscurity but he has changed the political
landscape for the forseeable future and created a roadmap for other
opportunistic misfits that may follow.

Yes, I believe he's done a lot of damage to the Republican party. I am part of
that large section of the population who believes there was a lot of Democrat
controlled foul play in this election. Enough to make a difference? I don't
know. But when states violate their own constitutions, something is amiss.

===

Claims of foul play and constitutional violations should be
investigated and substantiated. Rumor and inuendo is not enough.
Plenty of Republicans are still being elected so the chances of
selective foul play at only the presidential level seem unlikely. More
likely to me is that large numbers of people began to see through
Trump's dishonest bluff and bluster, enough for him to not only lose
the popular vote in a big way, but also the electoral vote.

When the investigators and substantiators are part of the foul play and
constitutional violations, getting a fair and just outcome is somewhat
difficult.

===

So you're convinced that the justice department and supreme court are
in on the foul play? That seems unlikely since many of them are
Trump appointees and have solid conservative credentials.