On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 02:25:19 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:45:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd.. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.
===

Interestingly enough an engine on a sailboat is most useful when you
are approaching land or entering a harbor. Offshore they mostly get
used as expensive battery chargers. A lot of cruisers are going solar
however to get away from that.


That's correct, the only time we used the diesel engine was coming into or leaving the club or other docking.
There was a lady with a J24 who could sail right in and tie up to what was essentially half a berth. She was more worried about us coming in next to her under power. She eventually had a big piece of foam on her starboard side across from us.
Don't know why, we never came that close when I was aboard. ;-)

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 12:52:23 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:30:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/12/21 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

Yup that is almost a quarter of a million worth of engines once you
pay to have them rigged and pay the taxes. That is before you buy a
boat.



A quarter mil will only buy three rigged...don't you need at least six?
Quads show up in those tests and I suppose it is just a matter of time
before some guy with the money goes with more. We are talking about
50+ foot boats tho. The thing that encouraged packing them on is the
power head doesn't move, they just swivel the lower unit so you can
pack them in tight. They are 3/4 of a ton each tho. The transoms are 9
or 10 inches thick.

Yep, that ship has sailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-y0XuWhjrw

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:45:21 -0500, wrote:On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True wrote:On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...the 19-footer I am considering... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc === There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20 years ago. https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll bet the fuel burn is...interesting. === The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn. Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read. These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like 20 at a 4000-4500 cruise. https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up. How bad do you want to get there?Foolishness!The wind is still free...at least for the time being.Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you canafford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engineon that sail boat.===Interestingly enough an engine on a sailboat is most useful when youare approaching land or entering a harbor. Offshore they mostly getused as expensive battery chargers. A lot of cruisers are going solarhowever to get away from that.

Picture a dummy who got himself wing on wing downwind with close 8
ft following seas. The only thing the dummy WASN'T AFRAID TO DO
was maintain course and run the engine at full throttle. Try
doing that for 11 hours. The dummy was prepared to beach the boat
if conditions didnt change.
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:20:10 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 02:25:19 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:45:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.
===

Interestingly enough an engine on a sailboat is most useful when you
are approaching land or entering a harbor. Offshore they mostly get
used as expensive battery chargers. A lot of cruisers are going solar
however to get away from that.


That's correct, the only time we used the diesel engine was coming into or leaving the club or other docking.
There was a lady with a J24 who could sail right in and tie up to what was essentially half a berth. She was more worried about us coming in next to her under power. She eventually had a big piece of foam on her starboard side across from us.
Don't know why, we never came that close when I was aboard. ;-)

Maybe seeing this just scared the **** out of her!

https://funkyimg.com/i/3aHGN.jpg
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wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.


The wind may be free, but harnessing it sure is not.

John Wrote in message:r
On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:20:10 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 02:25:19 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:45:21 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...the 19-footer I am considering... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc === There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20 years ago. https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll bet the fuel burn is...interesting. === The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn. Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read. These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like 20 at a 4000-4500 cruise. https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up. How bad do you want to get there? Foolishness! The wind is still free...at least for the time being. Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine on that sail boat. === Interestingly enough an engine on a sailboat is most useful when you are approaching land or entering a harbor. Offshore they mostly get used as expensive battery chargers. A lot of cruisers are going solar however to get away from that.That's correct, the only time we used the diesel engine was coming into or leaving the club or other docking.There was a lady with a J24 who could sail right in and tie up to what was essentially half a berth. She was more worried about us coming in next to her under power. She eventually had a big piece of foam on her starboard side across from us.Don't know why, we never came that close when I was aboard. ;-)Maybe seeing this just scared the **** out of her!https://funkyimg.com/i/3aHGN.jpg--Freedom Isn't Free!

I know that guy. He's standing in front of his 15 feets cruising
sale boat. Check out them Popeye legs. The only thing missing is
the corn cob pipe.
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Bill Wrote in message:r
wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...the 19-footer I am considering... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc === There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20 years ago. https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll bet the fuel burn is...interesting. === The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn. Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read. These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like 20 at a 4000-4500 cruise. https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up. How bad do you want to get there? Foolishness! The wind is still free...at least for the time being. Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine on that sail boat. The wind may be free, but harnessing it sure is not.

Any sail boater can attest to that.
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:25:15 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:45:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.

===

Interestingly enough an engine on a sailboat is most useful when you
are approaching land or entering a harbor. Offshore they mostly get
used as expensive battery chargers. A lot of cruisers are going solar
however to get away from that.

When my buddy was drifting into Cuban waters and no decent wind, he
sure wanted a motor. Fortunately just when they were getting really
nervous a little puff of wind blew them offshore but they still ended
up on the wrong side of the Keys and just got lucky stumbling onto St
Pete beach. They were about to start heading west, looking for Vero.
(they had an idea about latitude but not much of a clue about
longitude).
Fresh water was a serious problem at that point.
This was long before GPS and they couldn't afford LORAN.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:52:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.


The wind may be free, but harnessing it sure is not.

Yeah, I am not a blow boater but I hear guys whining that a set of
sails is way more than I paid for my F-70, even for a fairly small day
sailer.

On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 18:57:55 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:52:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:06:52 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Friday, 12 February 2021 at 02:44:44 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:23:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:51:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/21 4:36 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:21:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...the 19-footer I am considering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN42mq5eSUc

===

There will be people rushing out to buy them. There appears to be a
major arms race going on with the big multi engine go fast crowd.. I
like the fact that they are a lot quieter than the go fast boats of 20
years ago.

https://youtu.be/qv-GPdnJ-1E


I'm sure you are right that they'll sell, even at $75,000 a pop. I'll
bet the fuel burn is...interesting.

===

The people who buy them don't worry about fuel burn.


Probably better the the QE II. That ship gets 6 inches per gallon I read.
These motors seem to drink about 50 GPH WOT (6300-6400) and more like
20 at a 4000-4500 cruise.

https://boattest.com/article/new-mer...00-hp-outboard

The boats they talk about usually have 600-800 gallon tanks so that
gives them a few hundred mile range and a $2000+ fill up.

How bad do you want to get there?

Foolishness!
The wind is still free...at least for the time being.
Sure if you are relatively poor or really really rich but if you can
afford it and you are getting out of sight of land you want an engine
on that sail boat.


The wind may be free, but harnessing it sure is not.
Yeah, I am not a blow boater but I hear guys whining that a set of
sails is way more than I paid for my F-70, even for a fairly small day
sailer.


Yeah but.......a new suit of sails could last 10 years if you don't race plus you have to factor in how much gas was saved over that decade.