Except, you stupid ****, the Democrats won the Senate. What a dump
****.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:24:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

Show me one thing Biden has changed.
Don't bother with the adult leader thing. He hasn't really done ****.
The democrats were too busy with their quixotic quest to have another
loss in the Senate.

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?� asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.�

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:15:42 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Imagine where we'd be without his vaccine though, eh Wayne?
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:29:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/16/21 10:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.


From Newsweek:

A new report highlights the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths
in the U.S. under former President Donald Trump, noting that some 40
percent of COVID-19 pandemic deaths in 2020 would have been averted if
America's mortality rate was equivalent to other wealthy peer nations.

The report—published Thursday in one of the world's oldest and
best-known medical journals The Lancet—explains that even before the
pandemic, the U.S. saw 461,000 unnecessary deaths in 2018 when compared
to the death rates in other G7 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy,
Japan and the United Kingdom). Comparing the U.S. COVID-19 mortality
rate to this peer group, the U.S. would have seen 40 percent fewer
deaths in 2020 if its mortality rate was comparable.

"The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the
USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450000 deaths as
of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had
the U.S. death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7
nations," the report explains.

"Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the
US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed
its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as
infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation," it continues.

Here's where we fall. Cherry-picking a few countries would make us look pretty
damn good.

'Weighted Average'? Show me.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:12:34 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?

===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

Perhaps you can explain the 'weighted average' in Harry's post.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 4:31:47 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?� asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.�
===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

So you want to parse Fauci's words, but take Trump's literally? Fauci said: "But this is not a major threat
to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right
now should be worried about." Pretty damn clear to me. If Trump said that you'd be calling for his head.
Oh wait, you are. The difference in how you interpret is called bias.

I agree with the double-speak. Fauci was never a "real" doctor that treated patients. After his residency,
he went on to research then to heads of departments and being a figurehead. In other words, a politician.

Not saying he's not smart, but his smartness has moved from being a scientist to being a "chief" of an
organization that is very good at dodging bullets and hanging on to his lucrative political job.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:29:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/16/21 10:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.


From Newsweek:

A new report highlights the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths
in the U.S. under former President Donald Trump, noting that some 40
percent of COVID-19 pandemic deaths in 2020 would have been averted if
America's mortality rate was equivalent to other wealthy peer nations.

The report—published Thursday in one of the world's oldest and
best-known medical journals The Lancet—explains that even before the
pandemic, the U.S. saw 461,000 unnecessary deaths in 2018 when compared
to the death rates in other G7 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy,
Japan and the United Kingdom). Comparing the U.S. COVID-19 mortality
rate to this peer group, the U.S. would have seen 40 percent fewer
deaths in 2020 if its mortality rate was comparable.

"The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the
USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450000 deaths as
of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had
the U.S. death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7
nations," the report explains.

"Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the
US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed
its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as
infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation," it continues.

Great opinion piece if you don't let facts get in the way. The US is
#8 behind several European countries, including UK (#3). In regard to
the "peer" countries, we have none. There is no comparable country to
the US that has a tradition of free travel, a independent citizenry
and a very loose border, particularly at our airports. Any effort to
clamp down on them creates a tremendous outcry from the public. The
idea that you can seal off states is even more ludicrous. For example,
there are more roads crossing the Florida border than state cops on
any given shift. That doesn't address planes, trains and boats.
Quarantine is also totally impractical. More people fly into New
York's 4 major airports from abroad in one day than every hotel room
in the 5 burroughs and you would have to keep them 2 weeks while the
same number of people show up the next day. Then there is the "****
you" attitude Americans have.

You can't even say the only offenders are Republicans. Plenty of
prominent democrats including Chuck and Nancy have been caught
breaking the same rules they say we should be following.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?

You can find a quote from Fauci saying just about anything.
Guys like Harry apologize for him and use words like "things change"
but didn't Fauci anticipate that before he got on TV and said
something stupid like "the general population doesn't need a mask",
"no wait, you should wear a mask", "no wait wear two".

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:12:34 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?

===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

He did say this was not going to be a serious problem for 80% of the
people and they would cure themselves spontaneously. I may still have
that on my TiVo.