On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:01:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:r
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:52:02 -0500, Wayne wrote:https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10pointNewly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest levelin nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reporteddeaths declined sharply from a recent spike.There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, accordingto data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a dayearlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was publishedearly Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.I saw an interesting stat this morning. They compared California thatis locked down to Florida that is pretty much letn'r rip andCalifornia is doing worse per capita in all metrics. (Infections,deaths, hospitalizations etc). I bet we also have more tourist andsnowbird influx too. That is pointed out by us being #1 in the UKvariant from the limeys who come here to dodge their winter
weatherand restrictions. The hot spots in the midwest sent their people herealong with an unprecedented number of New York/Jersey folks. I have been here 36 years and I have never seen this many NY tags onthis coast before. I suspect they came over last year when Browardlocked down and decided they liked it here

Dont be too harsh on the New Yorkers. Their attitudes might change
once they realize they are free from tyrrany of Cuomo and
ilk.

They still want to tell us how much better things were back in New
York and why can't we do things like they did up north.
I remind them, I-95 still has a northbound lane.

Happiness is watching a Canadian going home with a New Yorker under
each arm.

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 19:10:24 UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:01:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:r
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:52:02 -0500, Wayne wrote:https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10pointNewly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest levelin nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reporteddeaths declined sharply from a recent spike.There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, accordingto data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a dayearlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was publishedearly Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.I saw an interesting stat this morning. They compared California thatis locked down to Florida that is pretty much letn'r rip andCalifornia is doing worse per capita in all metrics. (Infections,deaths, hospitalizations etc). I bet we also have more tourist andsnowbird influx too. That is pointed out by us being #1 in the UKvariant from the limeys who come here to dodge their winter
weatherand restrictions. The hot spots in the midwest sent their people herealong with an unprecedented number of New York/Jersey folks. I have been here 36 years and I have never seen this many NY tags onthis coast before.. I suspect they came over last year when Browardlocked down and decided they liked it here

Dont be too harsh on the New Yorkers. Their attitudes might change
once they realize they are free from tyrrany of Cuomo and
ilk.
They still want to tell us how much better things were back in New
York and why can't we do things like they did up north.
I remind them, I-95 still has a northbound lane.

Happiness is watching a Canadian going home with a New Yorker under
each arm.


Just where would Florida be without the tourist trade?
You'd by crying about sky high taxes with even fewer services. Oh wait...y'all could pick oranges.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:31:41 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

Does Trump get your same consideration?

Hee, hee.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:20:55 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 4:31:47 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”
===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

So you want to parse Fauci's words, but take Trump's literally? Fauci said: "But this is not a major threat
to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right
now should be worried about." Pretty damn clear to me. If Trump said that you'd be calling for his head.
Oh wait, you are. The difference in how you interpret is called bias.

I agree with the double-speak. Fauci was never a "real" doctor that treated patients. After his residency,
he went on to research then to heads of departments and being a figurehead. In other words, a politician.

Not saying he's not smart, but his smartness has moved from being a scientist to being a "chief" of an
organization that is very good at dodging bullets and hanging on to his lucrative political job.

Well done!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:11:56 -0500, John wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:29:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/16/21 10:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.


From Newsweek:

A new report highlights the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths
in the U.S. under former President Donald Trump, noting that some 40
percent of COVID-19 pandemic deaths in 2020 would have been averted if
America's mortality rate was equivalent to other wealthy peer nations.

The report—published Thursday in one of the world's oldest and
best-known medical journals The Lancet—explains that even before the
pandemic, the U.S. saw 461,000 unnecessary deaths in 2018 when compared
to the death rates in other G7 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy,
Japan and the United Kingdom). Comparing the U.S. COVID-19 mortality
rate to this peer group, the U.S. would have seen 40 percent fewer
deaths in 2020 if its mortality rate was comparable.

"The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the
USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450000 deaths as
of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had
the U.S. death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7
nations," the report explains.

"Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the
US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed
its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as
infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation," it continues.

Here's where we fall. Cherry-picking a few countries would make us look pretty
damn good.

'Weighted Average'? Show me.

The link:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...=homeAdvegas1?

Scroll down and then click on Death/1M pop.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:04:36 -0500, John wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:31:41 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

Does Trump get your same consideration?

Hee, hee.

===

Hee, hee yourself John. What kind of consideration do you think he
should get? A cell right next to Bernie Madoff would be my
recommendation. They're both con men after all. Bernie got away with
it for a long time but his luck finally ran out. The same thing may
happen with Trump. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:31:41 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?� asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be
worried about.�

===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

He still thought more of the politically correct thing to say than
anything scientific but that is not surprising, he is a political
patronage worker. He serves at the pleasure of the HHS secretary. He
is not a civil service employee.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:03:30 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 19:10:24 UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:01:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:r
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:52:02 -0500, Wayne wrote:https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10pointNewly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest levelin nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reporteddeaths declined sharply from a recent spike.There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, accordingto data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a dayearlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was publishedearly Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.I saw an interesting stat this morning. They compared California thatis locked down to Florida that is pretty much letn'r rip andCalifornia is doing worse per capita in all metrics. (Infections,deaths, hospitalizations etc). I bet we also have more tourist andsnowbird influx too. That is pointed out by us being #1 in the UKvariant from the limeys who come here to dodge their winter
weatherand restrictions. The hot spots in the midwest sent their people herealong with an unprecedented number of New York/Jersey folks. I have been here 36 years and I have never seen this many NY tags onthis coast before. I suspect they came over last year when Browardlocked down and decided they liked it here

Dont be too harsh on the New Yorkers. Their attitudes might change
once they realize they are free from tyrrany of Cuomo and
ilk.
They still want to tell us how much better things were back in New
York and why can't we do things like they did up north.
I remind them, I-95 still has a northbound lane.

Happiness is watching a Canadian going home with a New Yorker under
each arm.


Just where would Florida be without the tourist trade?
You'd by crying about sky high taxes with even fewer services. Oh wait...y'all could pick oranges.

We would be serving far fewer people and have a more sustainable
ecosystem. Those pension checks would still be rolling in. If you
don't need as many services, you don't need as many taxes.
40 years ago, most people around here were in agriculture, fishing or
retired and the service industry although much smaller, served those
people. Florida would be a far more liveable state if 10 million
people moved back up north.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:09:12 -0500, John wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:11:56 -0500, John wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:29:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/16/21 10:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling how many lives that may have saved.

===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.


From Newsweek:

A new report highlights the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths
in the U.S. under former President Donald Trump, noting that some 40
percent of COVID-19 pandemic deaths in 2020 would have been averted if
America's mortality rate was equivalent to other wealthy peer nations.

The report—published Thursday in one of the world's oldest and
best-known medical journals The Lancet—explains that even before the
pandemic, the U.S. saw 461,000 unnecessary deaths in 2018 when compared
to the death rates in other G7 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy,
Japan and the United Kingdom). Comparing the U.S. COVID-19 mortality
rate to this peer group, the U.S. would have seen 40 percent fewer
deaths in 2020 if its mortality rate was comparable.

"The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the
USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450000 deaths as
of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had
the U.S. death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7
nations," the report explains.

"Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the
US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed
its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as
infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation," it continues.

Here's where we fall. Cherry-picking a few countries would make us look pretty
damn good.

'Weighted Average'? Show me.

The link:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...=homeAdvegas1?

Scroll down and then click on Death/1M pop.

When you compare the absolute number of deaths to a country the size
of Wyoming with the population of Florida the US looks bad but look at
the numbers per 100,000 people

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:04:36 -0500, John wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:31:41 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:26:50 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 11:12:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 05:13:38 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 08:52:08 UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-16?mod=djem10point

Newly reported Covid-19 cases in the U.S. fell to their lowest level
in nearly four months over Presidents Day weekend, and daily reported
deaths declined sharply from a recent spike.

There were more than 52,000 new cases reported for Monday, according
to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, down from 64,938 a day
earlier and 89,727 a week earlier. The latest number was published
early Tuesday Eastern time and may be updated later in the morning.


Too bad the US couldn't get rid of Trump 6 months ago. No telling
how many lives that may have saved.
===

The best time would have been 12 months ago when he was still denying
that Covid presented any risk at all. Of course his real risk was to
his incumbency which he was acutely aware of.

Wasn't that the same time Fauci was saying that the US had nothing to worry about?
===

Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember it.

"On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was
confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line,
we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.

Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind
of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the
Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major
threat to the people of the United States and this is not something
that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

===

Parsing his words, it seems like there's a bit of governmental double
speak going on. And of course it was still early in the epidemic
before people started dropping like flies in the north east.

Does Trump get your same consideration?

Hee, hee.

===

Hee, hee yourself John. What kind of consideration do you think he
should get? A cell right next to Bernie Madoff would be my
recommendation. They're both con men after all. Bernie got away with
it for a long time but his luck finally ran out. The same thing may
happen with Trump. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.


Well Hillary and Bill seemed to stay out of jail.