wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh.

Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is
used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take
the train.


Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so
it isn't responsible.

What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled
and installed as a FRU
Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections.

===

The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other
Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and
are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt
and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors
with sufficient training.

The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was
injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses.



Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design
of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and
thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time
testing of turbine blade designs.

I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered
and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of
people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades
from bins at each table.

My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and
were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling
them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces.




Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star
when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The
clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too,
with top drawer bennies.

Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-)
Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York
Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation.

We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the
juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a
printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived.
It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The
pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't
cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates
on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60
years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can
use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because
they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the
last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but
they didn't make it in a move.


Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in
Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law
books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was
overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo
typesetting complete pages In lots of the books.

When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how
linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just
stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more
expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that
labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were
developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is
on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same.


The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said,
lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new
stuff.

On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due
to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we
remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided
to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place
and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through
this before though ....


I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts?
Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving
anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a
motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head
south?

--
* Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 11:59:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2021 11:44 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh.

Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is
used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take
the train.


Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so
it isn't responsible.

What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled
and installed as a FRU
Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections.

===

The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other
Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and
are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt
and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors
with sufficient training.

The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was
injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses.



Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design
of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and
thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time
testing of turbine blade designs.

I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered
and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of
people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades
from bins at each table.

My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and
were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling
them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces.

===

Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an
electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high
speed?


The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections
to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is
the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure)
that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge
data to the instrumentation.

===

Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-)

So how are things in the great state of Massachussets?


Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due
to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing. If we
remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided
to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place
and spend the summers back up here. Seems like we've been through
this before though ....

===

Winters in south Florida are hard to beat. We're thinking of taking
the boat north one last time and using it just as a summer place going
forward.

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:r
On 2/25/2021 11:44 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. === Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-) So how are things in the great state of Massachussets? Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly dueto cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing. If weremain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decidedto start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter placeand spend the summers back up here. Seems like we've been throughthis before though ....-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh.

Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is
used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take
the train.


Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so
it isn't responsible.

What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled
and installed as a FRU
Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections.

===

The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other
Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and
are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt
and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors
with sufficient training.

The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was
injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses.



Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design
of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and
thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time
testing of turbine blade designs.

I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered
and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of
people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades
from bins at each table.

My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and
were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling
them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces.




Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star
when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The
clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too,
with top drawer bennies.

Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-)
Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York
Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation.

We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the
juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a
printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived.
It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The
pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't
cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates
on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60
years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can
use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because
they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the
last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but
they didn't make it in a move.


Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in
Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law
books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was
overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo
typesetting complete pages In lots of the books.

When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how
linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just
stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more
expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that
labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were
developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is
on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same.


The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said,
lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new
stuff.

You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in
the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they
certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a
wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:20:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due
to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we
remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided
to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place
and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through
this before though ....


I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts?
Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving
anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a
motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head
south?

The last few times we drove to DC it took at least a week. We went up
through the mountains and hiked in the woods. If it is just me, I can
do that coffee, speed and adrenalin straight through sprint at 80 but
my wife is not really into that.

wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh.

Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is
used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take
the train.


Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so
it isn't responsible.

What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled
and installed as a FRU
Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections.

===

The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other
Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and
are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt
and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors
with sufficient training.

The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was
injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses.



Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design
of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and
thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time
testing of turbine blade designs.

I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered
and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of
people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades
from bins at each table.

My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and
were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling
them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces.




Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star
when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The
clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too,
with top drawer bennies.

Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-)
Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York
Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation.

We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the
juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a
printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived.
It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The
pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't
cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates
on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60
years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can
use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because
they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the
last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but
they didn't make it in a move.


Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in
Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law
books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was
overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo
typesetting complete pages In lots of the books.

When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how
linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just
stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more
expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that
labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were
developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is
on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same.


The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said,
lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new
stuff.

You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in
the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they
certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a
wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money.


They can be expensive law and tax books.

https://www.cch.com/about/

wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:20:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due
to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we
remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided
to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place
and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through
this before though ....


I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts?
Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving
anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a
motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head
south?

The last few times we drove to DC it took at least a week. We went up
through the mountains and hiked in the woods. If it is just me, I can
do that coffee, speed and adrenalin straight through sprint at 80 but
my wife is not really into that.


Wife’s are like that.