On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


https://ibb.co/nLVG10W

With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and
from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually
don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal
with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains,
you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room.
With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop..

As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the
station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY
from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I
would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way)..
Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in
Virginia?
RSW is 15 minutes from here.
You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the
train.
There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line
through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first.

I would drive before I took a train. It is faster.



The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on
China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient
passenger rail system.

The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in
DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that
once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower.

We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to
Providence about a decade ago.

I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get
out of that cluster ****, not so much.
There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come
close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the
people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at
45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying
a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida
and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that
less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths
than all the other track in the US.
The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean
in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if
cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local
governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up
cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove
them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way.


===

I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer?
Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much
sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably
some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges
on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying
to beat the gates on them.


My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales
of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and
even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of
such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked
on or over the tracks. Evolution in action.

The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in
the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I
have no idea how these are scheduled.
Sure, lets hire 900,000 crossing guards, four for each grade crossing.
(24/7/365 plus covering vacations and weekends takes 4 people
minimum).
Sounds like something one of those bankrupt European governments might
do.
FRA says they actually have more fatalities along the rails away from
the crossings so that may not help much.
The reality is these rails are usually in minority neighborhoods and I
am surprised you call them morons for trying to live their lives with
a death train coming by dozens of times a day..
Racist! ;-)

Rich people don't usually live near the railroad tracks and if they do
move there by mistake, they seem to be able to stop the trains like
they did here.

I like trains, at least the freight variety. They move freight much more efficiently
than trucks do, making better use of diesel fuel. Besides, 18 wheelers clog up the
roadways and tear up the roads. It's even worse now that the majority of them
are running speed governors that limit them to 70 mph. Get one that able to run
70.5 passing another that's able to squeak out 70.1, and you've got a moving roadblock
for several miles.

Besides, the railroads are heavily unionized. All those new crossing guards will be
making 6 figures. Who's gonna pay for that?

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:28:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/13/21 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo
trains
dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!

He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry
is out of his mind, I tell ya.

It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the
few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because
LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you
left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from
DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that
plane still circling waiting for a slot to land.

Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a
four-hour flight.

It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours
from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela).


Just under three hours from Union Station in DC, so your memory is
correct. It's about seven hours to Boston. For reasons I don't know, it
takes longer to get from NYC to New Haven than it did 60 years ago.

Probably extra stops on the way or maybe more rail congestion.
As an aside, my old 3d shift partner and golfing buddy's brother was a
conductor on that train for about 25 years. He would get drunk and
call out every stop from Penn Station, well up into connecticut, until
someone told him to stop. We usually got to Bridgeport anyway. ;-)

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/stud...2019/2073897On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:54:21 -0800 (PST), " wrote:

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


https://ibb.co/nLVG10W

With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and
from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually
don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal
with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains,
you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room.
With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.

As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the
station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY
from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I
would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way).
Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in
Virginia?
RSW is 15 minutes from here.
You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the
train.
There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line
through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first.

I would drive before I took a train. It is faster.



The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on
China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient
passenger rail system.

The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in
DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that
once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower.

We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to
Providence about a decade ago.

I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get
out of that cluster ****, not so much.
There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come
close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the
people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at
45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying
a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida
and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that
less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths
than all the other track in the US.
The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean
in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if
cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local
governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up
cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove
them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way.


===

I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer?
Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much
sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably
some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges
on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying
to beat the gates on them.


My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales
of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and
even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of
such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked
on or over the tracks. Evolution in action.

The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in
the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I
have no idea how these are scheduled.
Sure, lets hire 900,000 crossing guards, four for each grade crossing.
(24/7/365 plus covering vacations and weekends takes 4 people
minimum).
Sounds like something one of those bankrupt European governments might
do.
FRA says they actually have more fatalities along the rails away from
the crossings so that may not help much.
The reality is these rails are usually in minority neighborhoods and I
am surprised you call them morons for trying to live their lives with
a death train coming by dozens of times a day..
Racist! ;-)

Rich people don't usually live near the railroad tracks and if they do
move there by mistake, they seem to be able to stop the trains like
they did here.

I like trains, at least the freight variety. They move freight much more efficiently
than trucks do, making better use of diesel fuel. Besides, 18 wheelers clog up the
roadways and tear up the roads. It's even worse now that the majority of them
are running speed governors that limit them to 70 mph. Get one that able to run
70.5 passing another that's able to squeak out 70.1, and you've got a moving roadblock
for several miles.

Besides, the railroads are heavily unionized. All those new crossing guards will be
making 6 figures. Who's gonna pay for that?

If what is happening here is happening in other places the rails may
be doomed. They are gentrifying some of those old neighborhoods and
the people moving in bitch about the trains. They can have the clout
to shut them down if it is an unprofitable route and the railroad
wants out anyway.
I know the freight traffic is way down here. The places that used to
brag about being on the rail line don't anymore.
One of their regular customers was the 3 newspapers that used to get a
freight car full of paper every week. Now that whole operation moved
to Sarasota.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:42:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 9:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 01:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:47:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with
airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual
destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even
the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to
contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if
the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump
and his family of grifters. *

Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you
had your head examined lately?

Harry just likes the idea that he can off load 2/3ds of the cost of
his train ticket on the tax payer. It is like Biden spending $86
Billion, we don't have, bailing out the pension plans of corrupt
unions in the "covid" bill.

Oh, right, because air travel isn't subsidized and neither are the
producers of the fuel burned in planes, trains, and automobiles and
cruise ships, et cetera.

Nothing like Amtrack. You really have to stretch to compare the
"subsidy" of airlines to trains.

Why not give us examples if you are so sure.

Yeah the government operates air traffic control but you would lose
your mind if I suggested privatizing that. The Airlines do kick money
into that budget.

Airlines pay gate fees to use government airports.

Any so called fuel subsidy is the same as the subsidy for the diesel
the trains buy, the truckers buy or the gas for your car. It still
gets taxed.

Sure the middle east eats a big part of the DoD budget but that is
more about Israel than it is about oil. We don't depend on Saudi oil
anymore. We get far more from Canada and Mexico than the middle east
and we are a net exporter now.


Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of $2 billion a year. Our new aircraft
carriers run about $13 billion to build. The Amtrak sudsidy is chicken
feed.

What do aircraft carriers have to do with airlines?
I have always landed at an airport.
Although it would be exciting to watch a 757 land on a carrier I want
to watch from another boat.
Can we go watch on your twin Volvo trawler :-)

As for your $2B subsidy, there were 16.8 million rail trips in the US
last year. That means we paid $119 to each passenger, just to ride the
train. 10.5m million of them were going to and from Penn Station.
Most of them were just coming in to NYC from Westchester county, Long
Island, Connecticut or Jersey. They claim commuter rail almost pays
it's own way so your $135 trip to Florida really cost about $500 and
the tax payer picked up the difference.


Aircraft carriers are nothing but floating targets to a technologically
advanced enemy. Why waste tens of billions of dollars on them when we
could be building a modern, intracity railroad system that millions
could use. As for the subsidy, so what? As I pointed out earlier, we
subsidize all sorts of industries. What are the oil company tax breaks
worth? $20 billion a year? More?

You want China to have a great infrastructure, right Harry?
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


https://ibb.co/nLVG10W

With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and
from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually
don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal
with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains,
you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room.
With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.

As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the
station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY
from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I
would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way).
Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in
Virginia?
RSW is 15 minutes from here.
You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the
train.
There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line
through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first.

I would drive before I took a train. It is faster.



The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on
China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient
passenger rail system.

The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in
DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that
once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower.

We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to
Providence about a decade ago.

I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get
out of that cluster ****, not so much.
There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come
close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the
people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at
45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying
a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida
and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that
less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths
than all the other track in the US.
The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean
in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if
cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local
governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up
cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove
them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way.


===

I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer?
Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much
sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably
some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges
on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying
to beat the gates on them.


My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales
of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and
even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of
such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked
on or over the tracks. Evolution in action.

The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in
the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I
have no idea how these are scheduled.

And in many places there are only signs!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains
dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!

He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry
is out of his mind, I tell ya.

It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the
few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because
LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you
left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from
DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that
plane still circling waiting for a slot to land.

Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a
four-hour flight.

It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours
from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela).

We weren't on the Acela.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:10:12 -0500, John wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains
dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!

He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry
is out of his mind, I tell ya.

It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the
few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because
LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you
left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from
DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that
plane still circling waiting for a slot to land.

Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a
four-hour flight.

It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours
from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela).

We weren't on the Acela.

Yeah I screwed up and got on the milk train once. I felt lucky we
weren't getting coal cinders in our hair and arrows in our ass. That
was a Butch and Sundance railroad ride.

New York, NY–Penn Sta.
Newark, NJ–Penn Sta.
Metropark, NJ
New Brunswick, NJ
Princeton Junction, NJ
Trenton, NJ
Philadelphia, PA
Gray 30th St. Sta.
Wilmington, DE
Baltimore, MD–Penn Sta.
BWI Marshall Airport, MD
New Carrollton, MD
Washington, DC–Union Sta

It is the same train Harry raves about to go to Florida on tho. (the
Silver Meteor)
It is probably the same rolling stock I rode home from St Pete on in
1955.

On 3/13/21 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:10:12 -0500, John wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains
dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!

He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry
is out of his mind, I tell ya.

It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the
few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because
LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you
left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from
DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that
plane still circling waiting for a slot to land.

Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a
four-hour flight.

It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours
from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela).

We weren't on the Acela.

Yeah I screwed up and got on the milk train once. I felt lucky we
weren't getting coal cinders in our hair and arrows in our ass. That
was a Butch and Sundance railroad ride.

New York, NY–Penn Sta.
Newark, NJ–Penn Sta.
Metropark, NJ
New Brunswick, NJ
Princeton Junction, NJ
Trenton, NJ
Philadelphia, PA
Gray 30th St. Sta.
Wilmington, DE
Baltimore, MD–Penn Sta.
BWI Marshall Airport, MD
New Carrollton, MD
Washington, DC–Union Sta

It is the same train Harry raves about to go to Florida on tho. (the
Silver Meteor)
It is probably the same rolling stock I rode home from St Pete on in
1955.



Thanks to my father in law's railway discount, we got a sleeper both
ways, with bunk beds, a toilet and dinner and breakfast. I think the
trip took 13 hours and at night, when I wouldn't drive anyway. Only
annoying part was the train horn being blasted in advance of the
9,000,000 unguarded crossings. I finally resorted to earplugs and my
shooting earmuffs.

--
* Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/12/21 9:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 01:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:47:43 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan
wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with
airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual
destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even
the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to
contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With
trains, if
the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up
Trump
and his family of grifters. *

Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you
had your head examined lately?

Harry just likes the idea that he can off load 2/3ds of the cost of
his train ticket on the tax payer. It is like Biden spending $86
Billion, we don't have, bailing out the pension plans of corrupt
unions in the "covid" bill.

Oh, right, because air travel isn't subsidized and neither are the
producers of the fuel burned in planes, trains, and automobiles and
cruise ships, et cetera.

Nothing like Amtrack. You really have to stretch to compare the
"subsidy" of airlines to trains.

Why not give us examples if you are so sure.
Â* Yeah the government operates air traffic control but you would lose
your mind if I suggested privatizing that.Â* The Airlines do kick money
into that budget.

Airlines pay gate fees to use government airports.

Any so called fuel subsidy is the same as the subsidy for the diesel
the trains buy, the truckers buy or the gas for your car. It still
gets taxed.

Sure the middle east eats a big part of the DoD budget but that is
more about Israel than it is about oil. We don't depend on Saudi oil
anymore. We get far more from Canada and Mexico than the middle east
and we are a net exporter now.


Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of $2 billion a year. Our new aircraft
carriers run about $13 billion to build. The Amtrak sudsidy is chicken
feed.

What do aircraft carriers have to do with airlines?
I have always landed at an airport.
Although it would be exciting to watch a 757 land on a carrier I want
to watch from another boat.
Can we go watch on your twin Volvo trawlerÂ* :-)

As for your $2B subsidy, there were 16.8 million rail trips in the US
last year. That means we paid $119 to each passenger, just to ride the
train. 10.5m million of them were going to and from Penn Station.
Most of them were just coming in to NYC from Westchester county, Long
Island, Connecticut or Jersey. They claim commuter rail almost pays
it's own way so your $135 trip to Florida really cost about $500 and
the tax payer picked up the difference.


Aircraft carriers are nothing but floating targets to a
technologically advanced enemy. Why waste tens of billions of dollars
on them when we could be building a modern, intracity railroad system
that millions could use. As for the subsidy, so what? As I pointed out
earlier, we subsidize all sorts of industries. What are the oil
company tax breaks worth? $20 billion a year? More?


As a non-taxpayer your opinion is as worthless as your bank account.

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long
lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains
dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!

He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry
is out of his mind, I tell ya.

It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the
few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because
LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you
left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from
DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that
plane still circling waiting for a slot to land.

I'd like to come over for breakfast. Does mid-week work?
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