Dave Hall wrote:
Paul Schilter wrote:

Dave,
I take exception to your term of "liberal", I may be more liberal than
yourself, but no where near where Harry is at. Perhaps you should use the
term "Extreme" as a definer, just so you don't paint such a wide swatch. I
guess this is a problem with labels, we wear so many different ones on
different issues. I rather doubt that when we vote for someone, we vote for
a person that believes just like we do.All of life is a compromise.


Point taken. And you are correct. Harry displays a form of liberalism
that is equivilent in position to Jerry Falwell on the opposite side.

Dave



You know, Dave, you are such an intellectual numnutz, you're pathetic.
On a legitimate scale of liberal to conservative, with moderate as the
center, I'd fall a few hairs left of moderate.

What views do you think I hold that would put me "opposite" the Rev. Mr.
Falwell on the political scale?

That I'm pro-choice? I'd say about half of Americans are pro-choice.

That I think George W. Bush is not worthy of being POTUS? More voters
thought that way than thought he was suitable.

That I think Bush's Iraq policies are so much crap? That's the position
held by at least half of America.

That I'm in favor of many government programs that aid the needy? Well,
so are most Americans.

That I think our system of providing decent medical care to every
American sucks big time? Well, so do most Americans.

That I think that the UN, despite its faults, is the best bet for doing
what it does, despite the efforts of the right to demonize it? So do
most Americans.

That I think people like you, who hold far-right extremist views,
represent a real danger to our democracy? Well, so do most Americans who
think about such issues.

You're the extremist, Dave. I'm pretty much a centrist.


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jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

Oh my God. You don't refer to yourself as a Chrisitian do you?

Jesus was a socialist.

No he wasn't, he was a compassionate Conservative.

Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!!

He would laugh at the irony of "conservative christians" assuming his
mantle, or be incredibly saddened.

Doubtful


He was a socialist. He wanted to spread the wealth.

Through the kindness of charity, not the iron fist of government.



Compassionate
conservatives want to horde the wealth.

Not "horde" just "keep". We believe that we have the right to decide who
is needy and who deserves our kindness. It's counterproductive to prop
up people who have no incentive to better themselves. People who run
into a temporary setback are a whole different story.

They're anything but Christian.

And you're suddenly an expert on religion?



His agenda is served far more effectively by the left. He was an "all
ships" sort of guy.

The left wants to use the government to strong arm their agenda onto
everybody, whether they like it or not. Charity and faith are not about
mandates, but about choice.


The devil, however, is a much better fit for compassionate
conservatives, for, as you know, the road to hell is paved with good
intentions.

And we all know that those on the left feel that they're doing the
"right" thing, and that conservatives are just blind to those "good
intentions". You can look at it either way.

Dave

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
Paul Schilter wrote:

Dave,
I take exception to your term of "liberal", I may be more liberal than
yourself, but no where near where Harry is at. Perhaps you should use the
term "Extreme" as a definer, just so you don't paint such a wide swatch. I
guess this is a problem with labels, we wear so many different ones on
different issues. I rather doubt that when we vote for someone, we vote for
a person that believes just like we do.All of life is a compromise.


Point taken. And you are correct. Harry displays a form of liberalism
that is equivilent in position to Jerry Falwell on the opposite side.

Dave


You know, Dave, you are such an intellectual numnutz, you're pathetic.
On a legitimate scale of liberal to conservative, with moderate as the
center, I'd fall a few hairs left of moderate.

What views do you think I hold that would put me "opposite" the Rev. Mr.
Falwell on the political scale?

That I'm pro-choice? I'd say about half of Americans are pro-choice.

That I think George W. Bush is not worthy of being POTUS? More voters
thought that way than thought he was suitable.

That I think Bush's Iraq policies are so much crap? That's the position
held by at least half of America.

That I'm in favor of many government programs that aid the needy? Well,
so are most Americans.

That I think our system of providing decent medical care to every
American sucks big time? Well, so do most Americans.

That I think that the UN, despite its faults, is the best bet for doing
what it does, despite the efforts of the right to demonize it? So do
most Americans.

That I think people like you, who hold far-right extremist views,
represent a real danger to our democracy? Well, so do most Americans who
think about such issues.


None of your claims are substantiated with anything any more credible
than your own opinion, so that makes them skeptical at best.

Dave

jps,
Well at least we can agree that Jesus was a Carpenter. So to the
question a lot of tree huggers have been asking; What would Jesus drive? I
answer: A Pickup Truck. Hopefully an F-150 at least. I just don't see Him
driving an Eco box.
Paul

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Oh my God. You don't refer to yourself as a Chrisitian do you?

Jesus was a socialist.

No he wasn't, he was a compassionate Conservative.


Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!!

He would laugh at the irony of "conservative christians" assuming his
mantle, or be incredibly saddened.

He was a socialist. He wanted to spread the wealth. Compassionate
conservatives want to horde the wealth. They're anything but Christian.

His agenda is served far more effectively by the left. He was an "all
ships" sort of guy.

The devil, however, is a much better fit for compassionate
conservatives, for, as you know, the road to hell is paved with good
intentions.

In article , paulschilter@comcast
says...
jps,
Well at least we can agree that Jesus was a Carpenter. So to the
question a lot of tree huggers have been asking; What would Jesus drive? I
answer: A Pickup Truck. Hopefully an F-150 at least. I just don't see Him
driving an Eco box.
Paul

I say he drives a late sixties C 10 3/4 ton with three on the column and
a 327. No four wheelin' for Jesus. He's a carpenter remember.

The box'd have dump bed on it for easy unloading of demo stuff from
remodels and it'd be in need of paint.

jps

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
Paul Schilter wrote:

Dave,
I take exception to your term of "liberal", I may be more
liberal than
yourself, but no where near where Harry is at. Perhaps you
should use the
term "Extreme" as a definer, just so you don't paint such a wide
swatch. I
guess this is a problem with labels, we wear so many different
ones on
different issues. I rather doubt that when we vote for someone,
we vote for
a person that believes just like we do.All of life is a compromise.


Point taken. And you are correct. Harry displays a form of liberalism
that is equivilent in position to Jerry Falwell on the opposite side.

Dave


You know, Dave, you are such an intellectual numnutz, you're pathetic.
On a legitimate scale of liberal to conservative, with moderate as the
center, I'd fall a few hairs left of moderate.

What views do you think I hold that would put me "opposite" the Rev. Mr.
Falwell on the political scale?

That I'm pro-choice? I'd say about half of Americans are pro-choice.

That I think George W. Bush is not worthy of being POTUS? More voters
thought that way than thought he was suitable.

That I think Bush's Iraq policies are so much crap? That's the position
held by at least half of America.

That I'm in favor of many government programs that aid the needy? Well,
so are most Americans.

That I think our system of providing decent medical care to every
American sucks big time? Well, so do most Americans.

That I think that the UN, despite its faults, is the best bet for doing
what it does, despite the efforts of the right to demonize it? So do
most Americans.

That I think people like you, who hold far-right extremist views,
represent a real danger to our democracy? Well, so do most Americans who
think about such issues.


None of your claims are substantiated with anything any more credible
than your own opinion, so that makes them skeptical at best.

Dave

Uh, Dave...what I posted here are not claims. if you check the results
of legitimate opinion surveys going back quite a few years, you'll see
that about everything I have posited here in terms of what I believe and
support is quite moderate and mainstream.

Which views have I posted immediately above that wouldn't be supported
by about 50% of Americans?

Almost all of them. I could post some stats of my own, but you'd just
dismiss them as more "right wing crap".


My views are moderate and mainstream, Dave. You are the one way out
there on the edge of wetness, sitting on the right-wing extremist bench
with ol' Karl Derringer.

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong. I'm for school choice, the right to
carry arms, the right to pick your retirement plan, the right to pick
your health insurance, the right to keep the money you earn, the right
to ride jet ski's in front of your home. Things you have opposed at some
point in the past. So who's really the control freak here?


with an overlay of rigid
personality. Your posts here over the years prove it.

You mistaken a rigid personality with adherence to principles. The
priciples of logic are unwavering, and dedication to those principles is
as well.



I'm certainly to the left of you...quite far to the left, actually, but
that just places me slightly left of center.

Where the center falls, depends on your perspective.

Dave

In article ,
says...

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.

Based on the opinions expressed in this group and how they fell on that
grid, your real score is likely to the right of Bush.

You are anything but a centrist Dave.

I say he drives a late sixties C 10 3/4 ton with three on the column and
a 327. No four wheelin' for Jesus. He's a carpenter remember.

The box'd have dump bed on it for easy unloading of demo stuff from
remodels and it'd be in need of paint.

jps


He'd never have to stop for gas.

If a guy can turn water into wine, gasoline can't be that much tougher. :-)

jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.

Based on the opinions expressed in this group and how they fell on that
grid, your real score is likely to the right of Bush.

You are anything but a centrist Dave.


Nonetheless, I am much closer to the center than Bush. The results don't
lie.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:

jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.

Based on the opinions expressed in this group and how they fell on that
grid, your real score is likely to the right of Bush.

You are anything but a centrist Dave.


Nonetheless, I am much closer to the center than Bush. The results don't
lie.

Dave




You believe in an on-line survey that tells you where you stand
politically? How about the tooth fairy, Dave? Do you believe in him, too.

Ker-ripes, you are a simpie. |


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