Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
Paul Schilter wrote:

Dave,
I take exception to your term of "liberal", I may be more
liberal than
yourself, but no where near where Harry is at. Perhaps you
should use the
term "Extreme" as a definer, just so you don't paint such a wide
swatch. I
guess this is a problem with labels, we wear so many different
ones on
different issues. I rather doubt that when we vote for someone,
we vote for
a person that believes just like we do.All of life is a compromise.


Point taken. And you are correct. Harry displays a form of liberalism
that is equivilent in position to Jerry Falwell on the opposite side.

Dave


You know, Dave, you are such an intellectual numnutz, you're pathetic.
On a legitimate scale of liberal to conservative, with moderate as the
center, I'd fall a few hairs left of moderate.

What views do you think I hold that would put me "opposite" the Rev. Mr.
Falwell on the political scale?

That I'm pro-choice? I'd say about half of Americans are pro-choice.

That I think George W. Bush is not worthy of being POTUS? More voters
thought that way than thought he was suitable.

That I think Bush's Iraq policies are so much crap? That's the position
held by at least half of America.

That I'm in favor of many government programs that aid the needy? Well,
so are most Americans.

That I think our system of providing decent medical care to every
American sucks big time? Well, so do most Americans.

That I think that the UN, despite its faults, is the best bet for doing
what it does, despite the efforts of the right to demonize it? So do
most Americans.

That I think people like you, who hold far-right extremist views,
represent a real danger to our democracy? Well, so do most Americans who
think about such issues.


None of your claims are substantiated with anything any more credible
than your own opinion, so that makes them skeptical at best.

Dave

Uh, Dave...what I posted here are not claims. if you check the results
of legitimate opinion surveys going back quite a few years, you'll see
that about everything I have posited here in terms of what I believe and
support is quite moderate and mainstream.

Which views have I posted immediately above that wouldn't be supported
by about 50% of Americans?

Almost all of them. I could post some stats of my own, but you'd just
dismiss them as more "right wing crap".


My views are moderate and mainstream, Dave. You are the one way out
there on the edge of wetness, sitting on the right-wing extremist bench
with ol' Karl Derringer.

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.


But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.



with an overlay of rigid
personality. Your posts here over the years prove it.

You mistaken a rigid personality with adherence to principles.

Nope. You've got a rigid personality.


The
priciples of logic are unwavering, and dedication to those principles is
as well.

I think your principles went over a precipice long ago.







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Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.

Based on the opinions expressed in this group and how they fell on that
grid, your real score is likely to the right of Bush.

You are anything but a centrist Dave.


Nonetheless, I am much closer to the center than Bush. The results don't
lie.

Dave



You believe in an on-line survey that tells you where you stand
politically?


Not any more than the rest of the people here who took it. I actually
objected to the wording used in some of the questions, as it implied a
certain bias by phrasing them in a leading way. But taking it all into
consideration, I was no further to the right, than what would be
considered "Normal" for someone with conservative values. I am hardly
the right wing fundamentalist that you attempt to demonize me as.


How about the tooth fairy, Dave? Do you believe in him, too.

Actually, it's a her, and she's a really good friend.......

Dave

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.

But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.

I don't want to control anything. What is morally right or wrong
*should* be fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience. It should also
be a standard, not something subject to change with the politcal wind.
If murder was immoral yesterday, and it is also today, then there is no
reason to think that it should not be tomorrow as well.




with an overlay of rigid
personality. Your posts here over the years prove it.

You mistaken a rigid personality with adherence to principles.

Nope. You've got a rigid personality.

And you have cranial-rectal dysfunction.




The
priciples of logic are unwavering, and dedication to those principles is
as well.

I think your principles went over a precipice long ago.

What you *think*, is irrelevant as usual.

Dave

jps,
I don't know, some of them job sites are muddy, 4X4 is a pretty popular
option these days. :-)
Paul

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , paulschilter@comcast
says...
jps,
Well at least we can agree that Jesus was a Carpenter. So to the
question a lot of tree huggers have been asking; What would Jesus drive?
I
answer: A Pickup Truck. Hopefully an F-150 at least. I just don't see
Him
driving an Eco box.
Paul

I say he drives a late sixties C 10 3/4 ton with three on the column and
a 327. No four wheelin' for Jesus. He's a carpenter remember.

The box'd have dump bed on it for easy unloading of demo stuff from
remodels and it'd be in need of paint.

jps

Dave Hall wrote:

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.

But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.

I don't want to control anything. What is morally right or wrong
*should* be fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience.


It's morally wrong to allow children to be hungry, cold and in need of
good medical care. Do you agree?


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Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.

But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.

I don't want to control anything. What is morally right or wrong
*should* be fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience.

It's morally wrong to allow children to be hungry, cold and in need of
good medical care. Do you agree?

I do. I also agree that it's morally wrong, and highly irresponsible to
bring children into a world where they will be hungry, cold and in need
of medical care.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.

But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.

I don't want to control anything. What is morally right or wrong
*should* be fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience.

It's morally wrong to allow children to be hungry, cold and in need of
good medical care. Do you agree?

I do. I also agree that it's morally wrong, and highly irresponsible to
bring children into a world where they will be hungry, cold and in need
of medical care.

Dave



But once those children are here...they must be supported properly,
either by their parents or society. After all, they didn't ask to be born.

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Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Says you. According to an on-line survey that was features here a month
or so back, I fall to the left of GWB, and only slightly to the right of
center.


You're a right-wing control freak, Dave

Control? Hardly. I'm for freedom, the freedom of choice. As long as
those choices are not morally wrong.

But you want to control determining what is morally right or morally wrong.

I don't want to control anything. What is morally right or wrong
*should* be fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience.

It's morally wrong to allow children to be hungry, cold and in need of
good medical care. Do you agree?

I do. I also agree that it's morally wrong, and highly irresponsible to
bring children into a world where they will be hungry, cold and in need
of medical care.

Dave



But once those children are here...they must be supported properly,
either by their parents or society. After all, they didn't ask to be born.

Right, they didn't. But all too often children are born to people who do
not have the necessary skills (or even desire) to be parents (ties right
in to the teacher's thread), whether emotionally, psychologically, or
financially. But rather than just giving those families money, I'd adopt
a more pro-active approach that focuses on the kids, and how to put them
in a more productive environment. Society, unfortunately, tends to favor
the notion that kids are better off with their own family, even if they
might be crack addicts.....

Dave