On 11 Aug 2004 12:27:38 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:



Why would one who is not racing boats, need to make them as loud as
possible, only to gain a mile or two an hour?

Why does one have to race to enjoy going fast? I used to enjoy playing
an occasional game of football when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I
need to join a professional team.

Where did I say that you shouldn't enjoy going fast? What I asked was,
does one mile an hour give you that much joy, to have to have
completely open exhaust? Jeez, if so, walk, three miles an hour should
really excite you!

If walking at 3 MPH excited me, I would 've bought a sailboat. When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH? The same thing goes for the guys on
water. The biggest difference is that the legal speed limits generally
make recreational racing illegal on the road. On the water, this is
usually not the case. Guys are free to take part in impromptu "races"
at any time. Obviously the drive to win will push these guys to use
every resource at their disposal to make their boat as fast as
possible (or that they can afford to spend). There is almost endless
prop swapping, engine tweaks, waxing the bottom, cutting out excess
weight etc. A race can be won or lost by 1 MPH.

If you think that's silly then you don't get it. Nothing wrong with
that, but don't denigrate those who do.


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

You don't have to go wide open to get there do you?

But you can, so why not, if it's what you enjoy?

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On 11 Aug 2004 12:27:38 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:



Why would one who is not racing boats, need to make them as loud as
possible, only to gain a mile or two an hour?

Why does one have to race to enjoy going fast? I used to enjoy playing
an occasional game of football when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I
need to join a professional team.

Where did I say that you shouldn't enjoy going fast? What I asked was,
does one mile an hour give you that much joy, to have to have
completely open exhaust? Jeez, if so, walk, three miles an hour should
really excite you!

If walking at 3 MPH excited me, I would 've bought a sailboat. When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH? The same thing goes for the guys on
water. The biggest difference is that the legal speed limits generally
make recreational racing illegal on the road. On the water, this is
usually not the case. Guys are free to take part in impromptu "races"
at any time. Obviously the drive to win will push these guys to use
every resource at their disposal to make their boat as fast as
possible (or that they can afford to spend). There is almost endless
prop swapping, engine tweaks, waxing the bottom, cutting out excess
weight etc. A race can be won or lost by 1 MPH.

If you think that's silly then you don't get it. Nothing wrong with
that, but don't denigrate those who do.


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

You don't have to go wide open to get there do you?

But you can, so why not, if it's what you enjoy?

Dave


Because it is noisy, obnoxious behavior that can and often does intrude
upon others. Most penis-boat-boys receive the well-deserved
single-fingered salute when they roll by with their damned opened
exhausts. They're older, but no different, than the assholes who have
the 400 watt amps in their little cars, and boost the bass so everyone
can hear their crappy music.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:09:11 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:21:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Guys run offshore performance boats there?


Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.

I've never seen them on any of my usual haunts, which includes the
Chesapeake Bay

You must not go out on the Bay very often, Dave, or you must stay in the
little feeder creeks on the perimeter. Where do you boat when you go out
on the Bay, Dave?


I'm primarily in the upper end, where the water is still somewhat
fresh. I can be found in the C&D canal, the Bohemia and Sassafras
Rivers, and in Northeast and Charlestown






Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

No but "back and forth in the same general area" is behavior typically
associated with PWC operators. Those guys have obvious reasons why
they like to congregate in a relatively small area. Guys who have
performance boats can go much further, and in greater comfort, so it
makes little sense for them to remain in the same area. Like I said
before, it makes no sense. I don't even like going to a water way
that's smaller than 7 or 8 miles, because I like to cruise. The only
exception is when I'm pulling water toys. Then, I like to find a
fairly protected cove or area, and use that.

Dave

Ahhh..you're the asshole who was tearing up the little cove around
Parker's Creek two weeks ago.

No, wasn't me. But if it was, what of it? If I'm giving my family and
friends a nice day of fun by pulling them around on various tubes and
skis, who are you to critique it? Unless, of course, you're the owner
of said area, in which case you have my sincerest apologies and
assurance that I'll not be trespassing there again. Of course the
signs warning unsuspecting boaters of this fact were curiously
missing.

Surely you're not about to make a value judgement based on nothing
more substantive than your opinion again are you?

Dave

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet,
but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front
of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill



Maybe, but if the sailboat's approaching a hazard like a sand bar and HAS to
turn, you may have to use common sense and let him do what's necessary. The
hell with the law.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

You don't have to go wide open to get there do you?

But you can, so why not, if it's what you enjoy?

Dave


Because it is noisy, obnoxious behavior that can and often does intrude
upon others.

Your opinions are obnoxious behavior that intrudes upon others. So who
are you to make value judgements?

Most penis-boat-boys receive the well-deserved
single-fingered salute when they roll by with their damned opened
exhausts.

Which is more than made up for by the "hi five" signs they get from
others who appreciate the fine art of high performance.

Dave

"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:15:03 GMT, something compelled "Calif
Bill" , to say:


attributions lost

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

Some places have outlawed jetskis. I don't think they should be
prohibited, but I do think we ought to be allowed to shoot at
them.

If I said that, I'd never hear the end of it. But, I agree. :-)

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

You don't have to go wide open to get there do you?

But you can, so why not, if it's what you enjoy?

Dave


Because it is noisy, obnoxious behavior that can and often does intrude
upon others.

Your opinions are obnoxious behavior that intrudes upon others. So who
are you to make value judgements?

Ahh, but there's a difference. If you think my opinions represent
obnoxious behavior, you can filter me out or not read them, eh? But when
assholes like you drive by in their unmuffled penis boats, one cannot
filter you out. Your obnoxious behavior is right there...

Got it?


Which is more than made up for by the "hi five" signs they get from
others who appreciate the fine art of high performance.

There's nothing "high performance" about these overpowered stock boats.
They're mostly just deep vees with huge modified car engines. What a
yawner.



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Guys run offshore performance boats there?

Absolutely. Of the last 4 lakes I mentioned, the first 3 are quite large.
Plenty of room to move. Conesus is too small for offshore boats, but that
doesn't stop a significant number of fools from owning them anyway. Then,
there's Lake Ontario. It's about 45 miles across, measuring north-south.
There's a 10 acre spot a few minutes from where I launch. That spot's
traditionally been a big attraction for fishermen. You meet 90 year old guys
who say "Yip....if ya wanna git ya some bass, you wanna drift across the
lumps right off from Hedges" (a restaurant clearly visible from the shore).
On a dead-calm evening, in water that begins at 25 feet and drops off
quickly to over 400 feet, can you explain why one speedboat after another
has has to roar within a few hundred feet of a bunch of 14-20 ft boats? At
the speeds they're going, they could move out a 1/2 mile in 30-40 seconds.



Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.

I've never seen them on any of my usual haunts, which includes the
Chesapeake Bay

Look in a mirror. You seem to suggest that you think it's just fine to
deliver lots of noise to people looking for quiet.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street, you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.


The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business. The noise they sometimes choose to
make around boats is everyone's business. And I use the word "choose"
because based on what I've learned by reading some of the messages here,
it's possible for such boats to be quiet with the use of certain mechanical
devices. Therefore, if they choose not to be quiet, they fully intend to
disturb. The only other possibility is that they're complete idiots.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2o1kraF5sfq2U1@uni- Ahh, but there's a difference. If you think my
opinions represent
obnoxious behavior, you can filter me out or not read them, eh? But when
assholes like you drive by in their unmuffled penis boats, one cannot
filter you out. Your obnoxious behavior is right there...

I do have to agree you on this one. Your behavior is as obnoxious as an
unmuffled high performance boat.