Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Matt Lang wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.



"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.


Yes correct. And if I would own one I would make sure I dont annoy
others too much as otherwise they will start imposing laws on me which
will prevent me from boating. It may take a few years but the most
powerized seems to always lose in these matters.

Its usually better to just give up a little bit then head for the all
out confrontation.

Matt

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 16 Aug 2004 11:03:06 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way
of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the
wrong
territory.


Ah! So who has the right to decree that the cove was "your territory"
and that offshore was "his"?

Dave


If you had two toddlers taking naps in their strollers in a public park, who
says I shouldn't crank up a boom box 5 feet from them?


No one. That's the reality of sharing a public resource. Everyone's
idea of fun does not necessarily have to correspond to everyone elses.
Those who attempt to make value judgements to impress their subjective
opinions on everyone are basically attempting to limit other people's
right of access according to their own personal mindset.


Dave

So, again, if I lived next door to you, and I decided that I want to
have a thrash band play out on the deck every night starting at, say
midnight, and playing till early morning, you'd find that okay? Would
you also say that there shouldn't be laws to govern such actions?

You still don't get it do you? You keep coming up with strawman
situations which do not reflect the same circumstances and then
attempt to make a comparison. I already answered your last
hypothetical strawman. The time makes the difference. There already
ARE laws that limit noise at times when MOST people are expected to be
sleeping. The same rules do not apply in the middle of the day.

So, you aren't opposed to anything bothering you, if it's the
*correct* time of day? What if you had a racecourse set up in a cove,
and all the local fisherman decided to fish there, in your way. That
would be okay, right? You see, you, with your penis substitute boat,
certainly don't mind disturbing the fishermen, do you?

If my neighbor decided to cut his lawn at 3:00 AM, I would have a
problem. If he did it at 3:00 PM, there would be no problem. The
activity is the same, the noise is the same. What's different is the
time.

So, you have NO problem with ANY type of noise around your house, if
it's within YOUR hours?

You would have no trouble having laws passed which limit noise during
"sleepytime", as the majority of people (Even those who like noise
during the day) want peace and quiet at night. During the day, it
becomes a much different issue, and one which becomes complicated by
personal opinion, subjectivity, and value judgement.

See above question.

On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave

But, if you are blasting by someone who's activity is peace and quiet,
then YOU are being intolerant of THEIR activity.

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave


Well I wouldnt say hiding .. but often it happens that you have to
find new grounds where you can do your sport because others moved into
your area ...

Try to see their point and try to live with the others as peaceful as
possible ... maybe your boat is too load? It may not be and often
others are just unreasonable.... Still look at whats in for you in the
end.

Another example is people moving close to a shooting range and then
sue their a** off because now they feel endangered and dont like the
noise ... Guess who ends up packing up?

Often there may not be good solutions though

Matt

Harry Krause wrote:

Matt Lang wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...

Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.




"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.


Only the classiest of these will understand. The new money will want
their redneck rights, screw everbody else. Then they wonder why what
goes around comes around when they get screwed.

Terry K

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:45:24 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Noise limitation controls, enforced. Just like with cars. You want to
hear that big V-8 penisboatengine throb, take it offshore. Way offshore.

"Penisboatengine throb"?

Sounds like someone is jealous they dont have a fast boat. Oh
wait...thats right...you dont have a boat at all...

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:44:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.

Again you show your ignorance.

People spend thoudands of dollars on their engine, to tweak every bit
of power from them, and that includes a less restrictive exhaust.

But you would never know this, being the closest thing you ever get to
boating, is all your cut-n-post lies you spew here.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:59:32 -0400 (EDT), "Harry Krause"
wrote:


Some of us engage in boating activities in ways that do not disturb
others. As an example, when I am out fishing from a boat,

Very funny! If in fact you *ever* have fished from a boat, we can only
assume it was in one of those kiddie parks, were your mommy puts you
in a fake boat, and you put the pole behind a curtain, where a carny
puts some sort of prize on it.


I'd never modify the muffling devices on my boat engines so
they would make the most noise possible.

Of course you wouldnt. You cant modify something you dont have.

"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:47:03 GMT, something compelled "Calif
Bill" , to say:

We have the problem in SF bay, that the sailboats think they have the
right
of way over any power boat.

Well, of course. The Bay Area has *way* more than its share of
entitlement addicts, all to willing to assert their "rights"
against all reason. These are the same people that will step out
into traffic without looking, or ride their bicycles on busy
roads in such a way as to impede traffic. Common sense and a
respect for F = MA get overwritten by the flashing neon sign
stating I've Got My Rights!

LOL!