I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

I don't think they should be illegal but I do think the folks who own them have
a responsibility to use them in places where they don't unnecessarily bother
people. These are really offshore race boats, take them offshore and enjoy!
Like most things, if people don't use self dicipline the government will step
in and impose law.
My favorite example is the SCUBA industry. In the 60s they took it upon
themselves to regulate themselves and almost a half century later, in a time
where the government has it's big nose in everything remotely dangerous, SCUBA
is still pretty much self regulated.

"Greg" wrote in message
...
I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

I don't think they should be illegal but I do think the folks who own them
have
a responsibility to use them in places where they don't unnecessarily
bother
people. These are really offshore race boats, take them offshore and
enjoy!
Like most things, if people don't use self dicipline the government will
step
in and impose law.
My favorite example is the SCUBA industry. In the 60s they took it upon
themselves to regulate themselves and almost a half century later, in a
time
where the government has it's big nose in everything remotely dangerous,
SCUBA
is still pretty much self regulated.

Makes sense for the scuba biz. I suspect much of the health of the industry
is based on tourists who pay to get trained quickly, jump in the water and
see nice fish & coral. That requires quite a bit of trust from the consumer,
and that means the industry had better have its head screwed on right. If
the feds were involved, congress would still be debating whether the bends
was a real medical problem or not. :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Cam timing and lift patterns.

Capt. Bill

Are they, in fact, misfiring at idle?



An engine that is designed for high RPMs will often sacrifice low RPM (idle)
performance to get the engine to breath better at high RPMs.

At the higher RPMs the momentum (or lack thereof) is a substantial factor in
the air flow. The exhaust gases flowing out the manifold have momentum, and
can actually help scavenge the cylinder if the valves are left open a little
past "top dead center". Likewise, it takes a while to get the air intake to
start flowing, plus it takes a while to actually get the valves to open. It
is common for a high RPM cam to have both the exhaust and intake valves open
together for a short period of time.

This works well at 6000 + RPM. It doesn't work well at 800 RPM.

I wouldn't call it a "misfire" as much as the intake system is getting all
messed up.

Rod

If they were decent people they would use Silent Choice. Larry Hill

These are really offshore race boats, take them offshore and enjoy!
Like most things, if people don't use self dicipline the government will step
in and impose law.

"Larry Hill" wrote in message
...
If they were decent people they would use Silent Choice. Larry Hill



I actually haven't figured out what is more amusing, the fact that you guys
are actually talking about boats on this forum, or the fact that you don't
have a clue about how these boats ACTUALLY operate.

Yes, most performace boats do have switchable exhaust of some sort installed
on them. Not all, but most. What you have failed to mention is the fact
that these systems cannot be used above a certain RPM level. I realize this
doesn't justify not using them while idling.

These boats are manufactured to perform at high speed. They have big block
engines in them. They are going to be loud. We all have to pay taxes and
someday we will all die. Facts that we have to live w/ and move on. Get
over it.

Buck

Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first) all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

LOL bajaman.....I was thinking pretty much what you said but didn't have the
heart to put it quite like you did. Can't say I agree more.

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my life to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
nk.net...
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first)
all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:09:26 -0500, "buck183"
wrote:

Facts that we have to live w/ and move on. Get
over it.

Buck
=========================

Not true, you're the one who needs to "get over it".

Grow up and assume some responsibility.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 03:20:26 GMT, "bajaman"
wrote:

No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.

=========================

Or by my house. One of my neighbors just installed a silent choice
system on his Scarab after a visit from the local PD. Everyone on the
canal staged a little revolt and decided we'd had enough. There are
noise laws on the books most places, the problem is getting them
enforced.