Many states have muffler and/or sound level pressure requirements.
http://www.nasbla.org/pdf/Model%20Ac...ting%20Act.pdf
http://www.nasbla.org/pdf/Nasbla%20Ref%20Guide%205.pdf

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Greg" wrote in message
...
I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be
just
a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic
converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:42:56 GMT, "bajaman"
wrote:

You and I both know that most of
the namby-pambys whining here secretly wish they had what we have.

================================

Naaah. I have no problem with going fast, I just don't feel the need
to make a lot of noise and annoy people while I'm doing it. You
wouldn't either if your sense of self worth and self esteem were a
little higher. Little kids like to make a lot of noise because they
haven't yet found any positive ways of drawing attention to
themselves. Take your boat offshore and make all the noise you want.
That's where it was designed to run.

S 44. Noise levels on pleasure vessels. 1. The provisions of this
section shall apply to the navigable waters of the state including all
tidewaters bordering on and lying within the boundaries of Nassau and
Suffolk counties.
2. (a) No person shall operate or give permission for the operation of
any pleasure vessel in or upon the waters of this state in such a manner
as to exceed a noise level of 90dB(A) when subjected to a stationary
sound level test as prescribed by SAE J2005.
(b) No person shall operate a pleasure vessel on the waters of this
state in such a manner as to exceed a noise level of 75dB(A) measured as
specified in SAE J1970. Provided, that such measurement shall not
preclude a stationary sound level test as prescribed by SAE J2005.
3. Sale or manufacture. No person shall manufacture or offer for sale
any pleasure vessel or engine for use in a pleasure vessel for use on
the waters of this state if such vessel or engine, at the time of
manufacture or sale, cannot be operated in such a manner so as to comply
with the sound level requirements provided in this section.
4. No person shall operate or give permission for the operation of any
pleasure vessel in or upon the waters of this state that is equipped
with an altered muffler or a muffler cutout, bypass or otherwise reduce
or eliminate the effectiveness of any muffler or muffler system
installed in accordance with this section.
5. No person shall remove, alter or otherwise modify in any way a
muffler or muffler system in a manner which will prevent it from being
operated in accordance with this section.
6. Exceptions. The provisions of this section shall not apply to
pleasure vessels designed, manufactured and sold for the sole purpose of
competing in racing events and for no other purpose. Any such exemption
or exception shall be so documented in any and every sale agreement and
shall be formally acknowledged by signature on the part of both the
buyer and the seller and copies of said agreement shall be maintained by
both parties. A copy shall be kept on board whenever the pleasure vessel
is operated. Any pleasure vessel sold under this exemption may only be
operated on the waters of this state in accordance with this section.
The provisions of this section shall also not apply to:
(a) Pleasure vessels which are competing in or participating for a
definite race over a given course held under the auspices of any bona
fide club or racing association between the hours of nine o`clock in the
morning and sunset, which has been approved pursuant to the provisions
of section thirty-four of this chapter, and all provisions of such
section have been complied with or pursuant to authorization by the
commandant of the United States Coast Guard.
(b) An authorized agent of the federal, state or municipal government
when operating a pleasure vessel necessary to carry out his or her
official duty of enforcement, search and rescue, firefighting or
research programs.
(c) A pleasure vessel being operated by a boat or marine engine
manufacturer for the purposes of testing and/or development.
(d) A pleasure vessel manufactured prior to nineteen hundred
sixty-five.
7. Any officer authorized to enforce the provisions of this section
who has reason to believe that a pleasure vessel is not in compliance
with the noise levels established in this section may direct the
operator of such pleasure vessel to submit the pleasure vessel to an
on-site test to measure noise level, with the officer on board if such
officer chooses, and the operator shall comply with such request. If
such pleasure vessel exceeds the decibel levels established in this
section, the officer may direct the operator to take immediate and
reasonable measures to correct the violation, including returning the
pleasure vessel to a mooring and keeping the pleasure vessel at such
mooring until the violation is corrected or ceases.
8. Any officer who conducts pleasure vessel sound level tests as
provided in this section shall be qualified in pleasure vessel noise
testing by the department of parks, recreation and historic
preservation. Such qualifications shall include but may not be limited
to the selection of the measurement site, and the calibration and use of
noise testing equipment.
9. Penalties. (a) Any person who fails to comply with the provisions
of this section shall be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine not
to exceed fifty dollars for the first offense and not exceeding two
hundred fifty dollars for a second or subsequent offense. However, the
court shall waive any fine for which a person who violates the
provisions of this section would be liable if such person supplies the
court with proof within thirty days of the issuance of the summons that
he purchased his pleasure vessel prior to the effective date of this
section, that the pleasure vessel`s muffler was not altered or made
inoperable so as to result in a violation of the provisions of this
section, and that the pleasure vessel has been repaired, altered or
modified so as to be in compliance with the provisions of this section.
Provided, however, that such waiver of fine shall not apply to a second
or subsequent conviction under this section.
(b) Any person who alters or makes inoperable an effective muffler
system so that such system is no longer in compliance with this section
shall be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine of not less than
fifty dollars nor more than two hundred fifty dollars.
(c) All fines and forfeitures collected pursuant to the provisions of
this section by any court, judge, magistrate or other officer referred
to in subdivision one of section thirty-nine of the judiciary law,
establishing a unified court budget, shall be paid to the state
commissioner of taxation and finance, within the first ten days of the
month following collection to be deposited in a fund known as the
boating noise level enforcement fund established pursuant to section
ninety-one-b of the state finance law. The office of parks, recreation
and historic preservation shall distribute the fines to local law
enforcement officials according to the provisions of section
seventy-nine-b of this chapter for the purpose of enforcing the
provisions of this section.
10. All fines and forfeitures collected by any other court, judge or
magistrate or other officer shall be paid to the state comptroller
within the first ten days of the month following collection to be
deposited in a fund known as the boating noise level enforcement fund
established pursuant to section ninety-one-b of the state finance law.
The office of parks, recreation and historic preservation shall
distribute the fines to local law enforcement officials according to the
provisions of section seventy-nine-b of this chapter for the purpose of
enforcing the provisions of this section.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
No time to look that up. What does section 44 address? Noise? Exhaust
emissions from boats? Stupidity?

"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

Amazing. It's never enforced. Not only that, but these regs include the SALE
of such boats, but they're still sold in violation of the law.

"Steve Alexanderson"
Idon'tlikegreeneggsandspamIdon'tlikethemsamIamsal
wrote in message ...
S 44. Noise levels on pleasure vessels. 1. The provisions of this
section shall apply to the navigable waters of the state including all
tidewaters bordering on and lying within the boundaries of Nassau and
Suffolk counties.
2. (a) No person shall operate or give permission for the operation of
any pleasure vessel in or upon the waters of this state in such a manner
as to exceed a noise level of 90dB(A) when subjected to a stationary
sound level test as prescribed by SAE J2005.
(b) No person shall operate a pleasure vessel on the waters of this
state in such a manner as to exceed a noise level of 75dB(A) measured as
specified in SAE J1970. Provided, that such measurement shall not
preclude a stationary sound level test as prescribed by SAE J2005.
3. Sale or manufacture. No person shall manufacture or offer for sale
any pleasure vessel or engine for use in a pleasure vessel for use on
the waters of this state if such vessel or engine, at the time of
manufacture or sale, cannot be operated in such a manner so as to comply
with the sound level requirements provided in this section.
4. No person shall operate or give permission for the operation of any
pleasure vessel in or upon the waters of this state that is equipped
with an altered muffler or a muffler cutout, bypass or otherwise reduce
or eliminate the effectiveness of any muffler or muffler system
installed in accordance with this section.
5. No person shall remove, alter or otherwise modify in any way a
muffler or muffler system in a manner which will prevent it from being
operated in accordance with this section.
6. Exceptions. The provisions of this section shall not apply to
pleasure vessels designed, manufactured and sold for the sole purpose of
competing in racing events and for no other purpose. Any such exemption
or exception shall be so documented in any and every sale agreement and
shall be formally acknowledged by signature on the part of both the
buyer and the seller and copies of said agreement shall be maintained by
both parties. A copy shall be kept on board whenever the pleasure vessel
is operated. Any pleasure vessel sold under this exemption may only be
operated on the waters of this state in accordance with this section.
The provisions of this section shall also not apply to:
(a) Pleasure vessels which are competing in or participating for a
definite race over a given course held under the auspices of any bona
fide club or racing association between the hours of nine o`clock in the
morning and sunset, which has been approved pursuant to the provisions
of section thirty-four of this chapter, and all provisions of such
section have been complied with or pursuant to authorization by the
commandant of the United States Coast Guard.
(b) An authorized agent of the federal, state or municipal government
when operating a pleasure vessel necessary to carry out his or her
official duty of enforcement, search and rescue, firefighting or
research programs.
(c) A pleasure vessel being operated by a boat or marine engine
manufacturer for the purposes of testing and/or development.
(d) A pleasure vessel manufactured prior to nineteen hundred
sixty-five.
7. Any officer authorized to enforce the provisions of this section
who has reason to believe that a pleasure vessel is not in compliance
with the noise levels established in this section may direct the
operator of such pleasure vessel to submit the pleasure vessel to an
on-site test to measure noise level, with the officer on board if such
officer chooses, and the operator shall comply with such request. If
such pleasure vessel exceeds the decibel levels established in this
section, the officer may direct the operator to take immediate and
reasonable measures to correct the violation, including returning the
pleasure vessel to a mooring and keeping the pleasure vessel at such
mooring until the violation is corrected or ceases.
8. Any officer who conducts pleasure vessel sound level tests as
provided in this section shall be qualified in pleasure vessel noise
testing by the department of parks, recreation and historic
preservation. Such qualifications shall include but may not be limited
to the selection of the measurement site, and the calibration and use of
noise testing equipment.
9. Penalties. (a) Any person who fails to comply with the provisions
of this section shall be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine not
to exceed fifty dollars for the first offense and not exceeding two
hundred fifty dollars for a second or subsequent offense. However, the
court shall waive any fine for which a person who violates the
provisions of this section would be liable if such person supplies the
court with proof within thirty days of the issuance of the summons that
he purchased his pleasure vessel prior to the effective date of this
section, that the pleasure vessel`s muffler was not altered or made
inoperable so as to result in a violation of the provisions of this
section, and that the pleasure vessel has been repaired, altered or
modified so as to be in compliance with the provisions of this section.
Provided, however, that such waiver of fine shall not apply to a second
or subsequent conviction under this section.
(b) Any person who alters or makes inoperable an effective muffler
system so that such system is no longer in compliance with this section
shall be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine of not less than
fifty dollars nor more than two hundred fifty dollars.
(c) All fines and forfeitures collected pursuant to the provisions of
this section by any court, judge, magistrate or other officer referred
to in subdivision one of section thirty-nine of the judiciary law,
establishing a unified court budget, shall be paid to the state
commissioner of taxation and finance, within the first ten days of the
month following collection to be deposited in a fund known as the
boating noise level enforcement fund established pursuant to section
ninety-one-b of the state finance law. The office of parks, recreation
and historic preservation shall distribute the fines to local law
enforcement officials according to the provisions of section
seventy-nine-b of this chapter for the purpose of enforcing the
provisions of this section.
10. All fines and forfeitures collected by any other court, judge or
magistrate or other officer shall be paid to the state comptroller
within the first ten days of the month following collection to be
deposited in a fund known as the boating noise level enforcement fund
established pursuant to section ninety-one-b of the state finance law.
The office of parks, recreation and historic preservation shall
distribute the fines to local law enforcement officials according to the
provisions of section seventy-nine-b of this chapter for the purpose of
enforcing the provisions of this section.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
No time to look that up. What does section 44 address? Noise? Exhaust
emissions from boats? Stupidity?

"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different
animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between
the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure
you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But
the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It
may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15
yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get
the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit
Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who
was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:41:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they
have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for
them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the
same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?


On a parallel noisy note, what about boaters with those f**cking yippy
dogs?

I'd love to shoot 'em, but I'd hate to miss and damage an otherwise nice
boat.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:03:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Amazing. It's never enforced. Not only that, but these regs include the SALE
of such boats, but they're still sold in violation of the law.

=============================================

That's where we as ordinary citizens get involved. Laws get enforced
when citizens insist on it. Get organized and push the right buttons.
Our neighborhood was able to get enforcement action when we filed a
formal complaint with documented registration numbers, date, time and
place of occurence. The local PD was very courteous and responsive.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:31:30 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:
On a parallel noisy note, what about boaters with those f**cking yippy
dogs?
==============

What about home owners with the same yippy dog that barks at every
boat passing by. We've got a few of those.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:31:30 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:
On a parallel noisy note, what about boaters with those f**cking yippy
dogs?
==============

What about home owners with the same yippy dog that barks at every
boat passing by. We've got a few of those.


Wrap Hershey chocolate nuggets in enough ground beef to produce a 1/2" wall
around the chocolate. Sizzle in a frying pan long enough to sear the meat so
it doesn't fall apart. Toss into neighbor's yard whenever you feel like it.
I understand chocolate does quite a number on dogs.

Wrap Hershey chocolate nuggets in enough ground beef to produce a 1/2" wall
around the chocolate.

I understand chocolate does quite a number on dogs.

Not so's you notice. My dog ate about half of one of those 8" solid chocolate
easter bunnies and put the rest away for later. It didn't hurt him.
On the other hand dog owners might take a shot at you if they see you trying to
poison their dog. It only takes one dog owner to hang the jury.

"Greg" wrote in message
...
Wrap Hershey chocolate nuggets in enough ground beef to produce a 1/2"
wall
around the chocolate.

I understand chocolate does quite a number on dogs.

Not so's you notice. My dog ate about half of one of those 8" solid
chocolate
easter bunnies and put the rest away for later. It didn't hurt him.
On the other hand dog owners might take a shot at you if they see you
trying to
poison their dog. It only takes one dog owner to hang the jury.

I dunno. A vet once told me the holidays were really busy because of so much
chocolate sitting out in little dishes where dogs could reach up and grab
it. Maybe it depends on the size of the dog and the dosage.

A bullet in the brain would be more appropriate, but one might miss and
injure a plant. Can't have that.