Hey crackhead! What are you doing over here? LOL

Yeah it's me, the one and only. Just doing my time here making sure are
part of the boating world is represented fairly if ya know what I mean?

You know me, I'm an equal opportunity offender.

See ya on the other side of the tracks.

Buck
"bomar" wrote in message
...
Hey Buck!
Is that you from the Putz's site ??? (I won't mention it since I don't
want
some of these aholes there....leave them here w/ their Bayliners w/ Force
L
drives, Sunfish sailboats, and imaginary Lobster boats )
Can't be that many Buck's around ~~~~
Bomar

"buck183" wrote in message
...

"Larry Hill" wrote in message
...
If they were decent people they would use Silent Choice. Larry Hill



I actually haven't figured out what is more amusing, the fact that you
guys
are actually talking about boats on this forum, or the fact that you
don't
have a clue about how these boats ACTUALLY operate.

Yes, most performace boats do have switchable exhaust of some sort
installed
on them. Not all, but most. What you have failed to mention is the
fact
that these systems cannot be used above a certain RPM level. I realize
this
doesn't justify not using them while idling.

These boats are manufactured to perform at high speed. They have big
block
engines in them. They are going to be loud. We all have to pay taxes
and
someday we will all die. Facts that we have to live w/ and move on.
Get
over it.

Buck

I knew it was you!
Too bad you didn't make it to our first ever big meeting this past weekend!
The anti noise numbnuts here would have absolutely **** their pants Sunday
morning @ the marina when that blown Cig Top Gun pulled in, not to mention
Bird Dogs Cig and the scores of other insane water rockets.
Christ, just the sound of it scared me, and as you know, I am fearless!

This newsgroup, out of all the groups I frequent, has, by far the largest
amount of idiots in my killfile....

See ya back there on planet Allan4

Bomar

"buck183" wrote in message
...
Hey crackhead! What are you doing over here? LOL

Yeah it's me, the one and only. Just doing my time here making sure are
part of the boating world is represented fairly if ya know what I mean?


You know me, I'm an equal opportunity offender.

See ya on the other side of the tracks.

Buck
"bomar" wrote in message
...
Hey Buck!
Is that you from the Putz's site ??? (I won't mention it since I don't
want
some of these aholes there....leave them here w/ their Bayliners w/
Force
L
drives, Sunfish sailboats, and imaginary Lobster boats )
Can't be that many Buck's around ~~~~
Bomar

"buck183" wrote in message
...

"Larry Hill" wrote in message
...
If they were decent people they would use Silent Choice. Larry Hill



I actually haven't figured out what is more amusing, the fact that you
guys
are actually talking about boats on this forum, or the fact that you
don't
have a clue about how these boats ACTUALLY operate.

Yes, most performace boats do have switchable exhaust of some sort
installed
on them. Not all, but most. What you have failed to mention is the
fact
that these systems cannot be used above a certain RPM level. I
realize
this
doesn't justify not using them while idling.

These boats are manufactured to perform at high speed. They have big
block
engines in them. They are going to be loud. We all have to pay taxes
and
someday we will all die. Facts that we have to live w/ and move on.
Get
over it.

Buck

Good points bajaman.

Something tells me the majority of the complainers were 4.0 students in
school. I bet their rooms were spotless with everything in it's place.
They probably wear suits to work and drive mini vans too. LOL

One good thing has come from this thread though.....................AT LEAST
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOATS!!!!!

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well Buck, as you can see we are in the minority in our opinions but WE
know
what we like and have bought what we want. You and I both know that most
of
the namby-pambys whining here secretly wish they had what we have. I
suspect most of them are the types that let their wives run their lives,
make their decisions for them....lol! And yes, they are the kind of guys
that have always not got what they want, likely are totally politically
correct, drive 55 on the highway to save gas....in other words.....BORING!
But the world needs those guys too, and to each his own I guess.

Bajaman


"buck183" wrote in message
...
LOL bajaman.....I was thinking pretty much what you said but didn't have
the
heart to put it quite like you did. Can't say I agree more.

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my
life
to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
nk.net...
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to
even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you
crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my
first)
all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men
don't...it
is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You
guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races.
Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have
consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the
gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different
animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between
the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the
outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure
you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But
the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome
that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It
may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15
yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get
the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit
Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats
came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out
ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who
was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

It is clear that the noise generated by these boats wouldn't make it a half
mile down the normal highway.

But, for some unknown reason, it is tolerated on the waterways. It is only a
matter of time until these nuts get us all junked up with noise laws and
enforcement. Then, those of us with "normal" boats... can only idle all of
the way across the lake! They make the noise, and we, the general
(reasonable) boating population, gets the laws and enforcement because of
them...
RichG

--
RichG manager, Carolina Skiff Owners Group on MSN
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

"SaladinoJA" wrote in message
...
I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.


Out here we call those boats "Convertors" they convert money into noise.

"Steve Alexanderson"
Idon'tlikegreeneggsandspamIdon'tlikethemsamIamsal
wrote in message ...
KEYWORD = any pleasure vessel
Slap a number on its side and its not a pleasure vessel anymore but rather a
race boat.... thus the law does not apply.

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:25:03 GMT, "RichG"
wrote:
It is clear that the noise generated by these boats wouldn't make it a half
mile down the normal highway.

But, for some unknown reason, it is tolerated on the waterways. It is only a
matter of time until these nuts get us all junked up with noise laws and
enforcement. Then, those of us with "normal" boats... can only idle all of
the way across the lake! They make the noise, and we, the general
(reasonable) boating population, gets the laws and enforcement because of
them...

==========================================

Exactly right. Unfortunately it's up to the rest of us to ensure that
the existing laws get enforced before things get worse. Start by
taking down the registration numbers of the prime offenders in your
area. If one of them steps over the line and looks "BUI", arrange to
have them met at the dock by your local law enforcement folks. They
go quiet real quickly.

For Christ sakes you are making it sound like every boat that goes by is a
37' Cigarette Top Gun with twin 502,s running at 7500 RPM. In south Fla we
have our fair share of them but give me a break, its not like the bay is
thundering with the sound of Ocean Racers 24/7!
I don't have one of these boats, wish I could afford one but I still enjoy
seeing them run and yes even hearing them run. I guess many of you are not
race fans, or gear heads that enjoyed working on your cars. The rough idle
is caused by a hot cam, and when at idle the motors are not that loud,
granted they are louder than most, but they are not ear splitting and can
even sound good to some people.
Some of these boats can cruise at over 100 mph which is a pretty impressive
feat, basically that's like breakfast in Bimini and lunch in the Grove.
In the bay there are speed limits which pretty much limit the sound because
they are running just above idle, in manatee zones they are running at idle.
When they go into the inlet to the ocean they throttle up and are out if
earshot in a minute or two. Unless you are in another boat that can stay
with them you wont hear them again.
Seems that all you people are too quick to try to start finding laws to ban
them are they really that much of a problem? A little noise and its time to
call in the feds.
Some of the people in these boats can be jerks, no doubt about that too,
Someone mentioned mufflers on race cars, don't laugh some classes require
mufflers. When racing Mazda Rotaries you definitely need a muffler. Again
some of these boats have them. Which makes me wonder why the big gripe
about the noise? If you figure the total number of boat, then take the
number of go-fasts minus the number of go-fasts with mufflers the percentage
of boats you are complaining about is very small. Which makes me wonder
if envy comes into play here.
As a side note, twin high performance 502's at idle still smell a whole lot
better than any diesel ever would.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they
have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for
them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the
same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:24:01 -0400, "JGK" wrote:

when at idle the motors are not that loud,
granted they are louder than most, but they are not ear splitting and can
even sound good to some people.

===================================

Total baloney on all counts unless you're already stone deaf. Get
you're hearing tested immediately.

I suspect a judge would ask the LEO to search the boat. Anything that
doesn't belong on a racing boat would sink your idea.

"JGK" wrote in message
...

"Steve Alexanderson"
Idon'tlikegreeneggsandspamIdon'tlikethemsamIamsal
wrote in message ...
KEYWORD = any pleasure vessel
Slap a number on its side and its not a pleasure vessel anymore but rather
a
race boat.... thus the law does not apply.

You've raised many valid points. Here are a few more to consider:

In article , "JGK"
wrote:

For Christ sakes you are making it sound like every boat that goes by is a
37' Cigarette Top Gun with twin 502,s running at 7500 RPM. In south Fla we
have our fair share of them but give me a break, its not like the bay is
thundering with the sound of Ocean Racers 24/7!
I don't have one of these boats, wish I could afford one but I still enjoy
seeing them run and yes even hearing them run. I guess many of you are not
race fans, or gear heads that enjoyed working on your cars. The rough idle
is caused by a hot cam, and when at idle the motors are not that loud,
granted they are louder than most, but they are not ear splitting and can
even sound good to some people.

Not wanting offshore boats to run unmuffled IS NOT synomynous with any
lack of appreciation for performance. I am sure that many of the posters
who resent people who run their boats without a diverter, enjoy an auto
or boat race as much as the next guy. The difference is:

1. It is an actual race vs someone showing off a toy.

2. They are making an informed decision and electing
to partake in the event versus someone forcing them
to listen to a bunch of noise.

As for ear splitting sound. Maybe maybe not. My criteria for annoyance
in this matter is obviously lower than yours, as I find it annoying long
before any physical damage to my hearing is done. While I can't speak
for everyone, for me it's often not just the noise, its the intent. If an
unmuffled boat idles by, I may not like it, but as you state, it will come
to pass. I have friendly acquaintances at a marina I frequent, two
couples, each with an offshore. They idle in and out quickly and at
reasonable times of day, no problem.

To infer that we as a group are intolerant becuase we don't want to have
to scream at the person next to us just becuase someone wants EVERYONE to
hear how powerful his boat is by choosing not to use his exhaust diverter,
well that may seem intolerant to you, but I might be more tolerant in far
more areas. Don't judge me or anyone else just because we don't
understand the need for anyone who can afford boating to call attention to
themselves. The behaviour is selfish, and quite frankly, unessarily
redundant.

Some of these boats can cruise at over 100 mph which is a pretty impressive
feat, basically that's like breakfast in Bimini and lunch in the Grove.
In the bay there are speed limits which pretty much limit the sound because
they are running just above idle, in manatee zones they are running at idle.
When they go into the inlet to the ocean they throttle up and are out if
earshot in a minute or two. Unless you are in another boat that can stay
with them you wont hear them again.

Were all impressed with the speed of these boats. I especially have an
appreciation as I went from sailing into powerboating. I like sailing
more than powerboating, but since the majority of my time on the water is
going to a destination, I find powerboating more in line with the type of
boating I do. I for one like to go fast on the water. I like to go fast
on land. But I like the type of performance that hides itself until
needed. You know, like the AMG Mercedes that could blow the doors off of
a porsche. I have no problem with race boats being loud. I have the
problem with someone who refuses to muffle their exhaust at idle because
the want to get the extra 10HP at WOT they'll rarely if ever ever use on
Lake Erie. In short, multiple people are paying for one persons ego.

Seems that all you people are too quick to try to start finding laws to ban
them are they really that much of a problem? A little noise and its time to
call in the feds.
Some of the people in these boats can be jerks, no doubt about that too,
Someone mentioned mufflers on race cars, don't laugh some classes require
mufflers. When racing Mazda Rotaries you definitely need a muffler. Again
some of these boats have them. Which makes me wonder why the big gripe
about the noise? If you figure the total number of boat, then take the
number of go-fasts minus the number of go-fasts with mufflers the percentage
of boats you are complaining about is very small. Which makes me wonder
if envy comes into play here.

Interesting "statistics". Now heres one for you: All it takes in ONE to
be consistiently next to you and not exercising due courtesy, and maybe
you won't find that "high performance" sound so appealing.

How about the guy fifteen feet away, who is revving up each of engine to
"tune" it in from of his girlfriend.

How about the little dickhead fifty feet away who comes back for the bars
at 3am and feels the need to rev his engines for a few minutes to show
off.

How about the idiot whose exhaust is two feet from the beam of your boat,
where your bunk is, who starts his boat at 7:30 am sunday morning then
leisurely proceeds, to remove his spring lines, power cord, fenders, takes
a dump in the marina bathroom, quickly departing at 7:50am?

These three people alone are the reasons I would vote for tougher noise
laws within a mile from any shoreline.


As a side note, twin high performance 502's at idle still smell a whole lot
better than any diesel ever would.


I don't exactly know what 502's smell like, but it can't be worse than a
diesel :^)

Bob Dimond