"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man". It's real. Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

If 10 of us had driveways right next to our neighbors' bedroom windows, and
we all wanted to operate table saws on Saturday afternoon, how many of us
might ask our neighbors if anyone's taking a nap before turning on the saws?

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Why would one who is not racing boats, need to make them as loud as
possible, only to gain a mile or two an hour? Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water? As for my
last sentence, apparently my message stung you a little, so yes, " you
know who you are".

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:24:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"

Gee, you don't stereotype too much do you? Like I said before, you
obviously know little bout the sport or you wouldn't make silly claims
like that.....


Dave

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:02:12 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

It's real.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators. Guys who spend $30k a piece on a custom set of big
block engines, $800 a piece on custom stainless props, and over $100K
total in the rest of the boat do not do that so that they can run back
and forth in the same little 1/4 mile stretch of water. I know I
wouldn't (and don't). It makes no sense.

Dave

On 10 Aug 2004 12:04:38 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Why would one who is not racing boats, need to make them as loud as
possible, only to gain a mile or two an hour?

Why does one have to race to enjoy going fast? I used to enjoy playing
an occasional game of football when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I
need to join a professional team.


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

As for my
last sentence, apparently my message stung you a little, so yes, " you
know who you are".

Yes I do, but obviously you don't.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 10 Aug 2004 12:04:38 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Why would one who is not racing boats, need to make them as loud as
possible, only to gain a mile or two an hour?

Why does one have to race to enjoy going fast? I used to enjoy playing
an occasional game of football when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I
need to join a professional team.

Where did I say that you shouldn't enjoy going fast? What I asked was,
does one mile an hour give you that much joy, to have to have
completely open exhaust? Jeez, if so, walk, three miles an hour should
really excite you!


Why would these people
have a need to run them near people, instead of open water?

How do you get to the open water?

You don't have to go wide open to get there do you?

As for my
last sentence, apparently my message stung you a little, so yes, " you
know who you are".

Yes I do, but obviously you don't.

Ah, but I do....

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere,
4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine
that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored
or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the
body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.



And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"



It must be snowing in Hell.....I totally agree with you and basskisser.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep
everywhere,
4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine
that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats
anchored
or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over
and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the
body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the
noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because
they're
everywhere.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.



And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.



I'm not stepping into THAT subject! :-)