"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:15:03 GMT, something compelled "Calif
Bill" , to say:


attributions lost

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

Some places have outlawed jetskis. I don't think they should be
prohibited, but I do think we ought to be allowed to shoot at
them.

And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency (is) to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If the sail boat is beating against the wind, you can expect
these turns, especially if the sailboat in question is about to
run out of water. But, much like a pedestrian has the right of
way in a crosswalk, it's not always a good idea to step out into
traffic. Creating a dangerous situation is *not* a provision of
the rules of the road, and the overtaken boat is required to
maintain course and speed until the situation is resolved.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:12:20 GMT, something compelled "Don White"
, to say:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.

If you are overtaken, it's your responsibility to not do anything
unexpected.

If you are overtaken, it's your responsibility to not do anything
unexpected.

You are not paying attention to what he is saying.

If you are in a power boat and are overtaking a sail boat or power boat you are
the burdened vessel and it is your resposibility to pass with care...remember,
you are responsible for your wake also. Granted the boats being passed should
not do anything stupid BUT a sail boat under sail has the right of way
especially if he is running out of room to tack.

Larry Hill

On 12 Aug 2004 04:05:16 GMT, something compelled
(Larry Hill), to say:


If you are overtaken, it's your responsibility to not do anything
unexpected.

You are not paying attention to what he is saying.

Yes I am. If you are being overtaken, you are the stand on
vessel, and you have a responsibility to be predictable. If you
are overtaking you are the give way vessel, and are expected to
manoeuvre clear of the overtaken vessel.

If you are in a power boat and are overtaking a sail boat or power boat you are
the burdened vessel and it is your resposibility to pass with care...remember,
you are responsible for your wake also. Granted the boats being passed should
not do anything stupid BUT a sail boat under sail has the right of way
especially if he is running out of room to tack.

Which is something I mentioned in another post.

"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:15:03 GMT, something compelled "Calif
Bill" , to say:


attributions lost

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

Not me.


Some places have outlawed jetskis. I don't think they should be
prohibited, but I do think we ought to be allowed to shoot at
them.

And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency
(is) to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If the sail boat is beating against the wind, you can expect
these turns, especially if the sailboat in question is about to
run out of water. But, much like a pedestrian has the right of
way in a crosswalk, it's not always a good idea to step out into
traffic. Creating a dangerous situation is *not* a provision of
the rules of the road, and the overtaken boat is required to
maintain course and speed until the situation is resolved.

We have the problem in SF bay, that the sailboats think they have the right
of way over any power boat. They will cross in front of large container
ship coming in the Golden Gate and state they are sail and have right of
way. 2 points. One they do not have right of way over a restricted channel
vessel and two, they are losers in the physics world of bigger mass wins. I
have had them come out of the Alameda estuary channel, and turn right in
front of me with sails up, and they still have the iron sail running. Then
yell at me they have the right of way. Well, if they are in a crash, and
hurt my $20,000 boat, they will find out that they are going to buy me a
$100,000 boat. Both because they were under power, and 2nd, they have to
maintain course as they are being overtaken.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:15:03 GMT, something compelled "Calif
Bill" , to say:


attributions lost

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

Not me.


Some places have outlawed jetskis. I don't think they should be
prohibited, but I do think we ought to be allowed to shoot at
them.

And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency
(is) to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If the sail boat is beating against the wind, you can expect
these turns, especially if the sailboat in question is about to
run out of water. But, much like a pedestrian has the right of
way in a crosswalk, it's not always a good idea to step out into
traffic. Creating a dangerous situation is *not* a provision of
the rules of the road, and the overtaken boat is required to
maintain course and speed until the situation is resolved.

We have the problem in SF bay, that the sailboats think they have the right
of way over any power boat. They will cross in front of large container
ship coming in the Golden Gate and state they are sail and have right of
way. 2 points. One they do not have right of way over a restricted channel
vessel and two, they are losers in the physics world of bigger mass wins. I
have had them come out of the Alameda estuary channel, and turn right in
front of me with sails up, and they still have the iron sail running. Then
yell at me they have the right of way. Well, if they are in a crash, and
hurt my $20,000 boat, they will find out that they are going to buy me a
$100,000 boat. Both because they were under power, and 2nd, they have to
maintain course as they are being overtaken.

Ah, so all of a sudden you LIKE law suit lawyers?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:21:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Guys run offshore performance boats there?


Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.

I've never seen them on any of my usual haunts, which includes the
Chesapeake Bay


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

No but "back and forth in the same general area" is behavior typically
associated with PWC operators. Those guys have obvious reasons why
they like to congregate in a relatively small area. Guys who have
performance boats can go much further, and in greater comfort, so it
makes little sense for them to remain in the same area. Like I said
before, it makes no sense. I don't even like going to a water way
that's smaller than 7 or 8 miles, because I like to cruise. The only
exception is when I'm pulling water toys. Then, I like to find a
fairly protected cove or area, and use that.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:21:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Guys run offshore performance boats there?


Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.

I've never seen them on any of my usual haunts, which includes the
Chesapeake Bay

You must not go out on the Bay very often, Dave, or you must stay in the
little feeder creeks on the perimeter. Where do you boat when you go out
on the Bay, Dave?





Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.

No but "back and forth in the same general area" is behavior typically
associated with PWC operators. Those guys have obvious reasons why
they like to congregate in a relatively small area. Guys who have
performance boats can go much further, and in greater comfort, so it
makes little sense for them to remain in the same area. Like I said
before, it makes no sense. I don't even like going to a water way
that's smaller than 7 or 8 miles, because I like to cruise. The only
exception is when I'm pulling water toys. Then, I like to find a
fairly protected cove or area, and use that.

Dave

Ahhh..you're the asshole who was tearing up the little cove around
Parker's Creek two weeks ago.




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Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002