Jack Meholf wrote:
Don't bounce the email, very very rarely will the address be legitimate.
All you will be doing is contributing to the number of useless email being
bounced around.

I dunno, Jack... All the spam from spammers' website domains is
bounceable. I sometimes check to see if a domain exists and what it
is...and it's inevitably a "direct marketer's" website. The only ones
that aren't bounceable are from spoofed AOL, Earthlink, MSN, Yahoo etc.
I don't try...I just instruct Mailwasher to delete 'em.

Ironically, at least 90% of the spammers using spoofed email addresses
seem to be using Yahoo addresses. I say ironically because my ISP (SBC,
which is an alliance of most, if not all, of the Bells west of the MS
river) allied with Yahoo about a year ago...my POP server address
changed to sbc.yahoo.com, which means that all email goes through Yahoo
servers. It may be unrealistic to expect Yahoo to be able to block
incoming mail using spoofed AOL, MSN etc addresses...but one would THINK
that Yahoo SHOULD have the technology to recognize and block incoming
email from non-existant Yahoo accounts...especially if it's a zillion
emails from the same sender. How tough can it be to install software
that matches Yahoo return addresses against account lists?

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Peggy, it is very common for spammers to used forged email address of
legitimate users. When you bounce the email, you are inadvertently
returning the mail to an innocent person. If enough people bounce the email
you end up mail bombing the wrong person.

Check out grc.spam for more info on the problems with bouncing email. Many
people in this group like Mailwasher, but it universally agreed that
bouncing email rarely if ever gets to the person who is actually sending out
the spam.


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Jack Meholf wrote:
Don't bounce the email, very very rarely will the address be legitimate.
All you will be doing is contributing to the number of useless email
being
bounced around.

I dunno, Jack... All the spam from spammers' website domains is
bounceable. I sometimes check to see if a domain exists and what it
is...and it's inevitably a "direct marketer's" website. The only ones
that aren't bounceable are from spoofed AOL, Earthlink, MSN, Yahoo etc.
I don't try...I just instruct Mailwasher to delete 'em.

Ironically, at least 90% of the spammers using spoofed email addresses
seem to be using Yahoo addresses. I say ironically because my ISP (SBC,
which is an alliance of most, if not all, of the Bells west of the MS
river) allied with Yahoo about a year ago...my POP server address
changed to sbc.yahoo.com, which means that all email goes through Yahoo
servers. It may be unrealistic to expect Yahoo to be able to block
incoming mail using spoofed AOL, MSN etc addresses...but one would THINK
that Yahoo SHOULD have the technology to recognize and block incoming
email from non-existant Yahoo accounts...especially if it's a zillion
emails from the same sender. How tough can it be to install software
that matches Yahoo return addresses against account lists?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Jack Meholf wrote:
Peggy, it is very common for spammers to used forged email address of
legitimate users.

Jack, apparently you only read the first sentence of my post that you're
responding to. I DON'T bounce email from senders using email addresses
from AOL, MSN, earthlink etc because I know that 99% of 'em ARE spoofed.
But when I see a header offering me Viagra without a prescription,
and the sender's address is something like , I don't have
any doubt that Mailwasher is bouncing it back to the sender, nor any
qualms about instructing Mailwasher to blacklist that domain name, and
bounce and delete all future emails from it. I also have no qualms
whatever about blacklisting and bouncing all email from senders whose
domain names include "bingo" "cash," "casino" "amazing" "bargain"
"fantastic" "fabulous" "hotstuff" "extreme" "investment" "jackpot"
"wealth" "discount" etc.


When you bounce the email, you are inadvertently
returning the mail to an innocent person. If enough people bounce the email
you end up mail bombing the wrong person.

I seriously doubt that any "innocent" person or legitimate business has
a website with any of the above expressions in its domain name.

Check out grc.spam for more info on the problems with bouncing email. Many
people in this group like Mailwasher, but it universally agreed that
bouncing email rarely if ever gets to the person who is actually sending out
the spam.

That only applies to spam from users spoofing legimite email
addresses--using AOL, Yahoo, MSN etc...and as stated twice previously, I
don't bounce those. I even get spam that has my own address as the
return address...but I've never had any bounced back to me from anyone
else who got any using my address, so apparently those spammers have
software that automatically substitutes every recipient's return address
for the real one.

Peggie


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Jack Meholf wrote:

Don't bounce the email, very very rarely will the address be legitimate.
All you will be doing is contributing to the number of useless email

being

bounced around.

I dunno, Jack... All the spam from spammers' website domains is
bounceable. I sometimes check to see if a domain exists and what it
is...and it's inevitably a "direct marketer's" website. The only ones
that aren't bounceable are from spoofed AOL, Earthlink, MSN, Yahoo etc.
I don't try...I just instruct Mailwasher to delete 'em.

Ironically, at least 90% of the spammers using spoofed email addresses
seem to be using Yahoo addresses. I say ironically because my ISP (SBC,
which is an alliance of most, if not all, of the Bells west of the MS
river) allied with Yahoo about a year ago...my POP server address
changed to sbc.yahoo.com, which means that all email goes through Yahoo
servers. It may be unrealistic to expect Yahoo to be able to block
incoming mail using spoofed AOL, MSN etc addresses...but one would THINK
that Yahoo SHOULD have the technology to recognize and block incoming
email from non-existant Yahoo accounts...especially if it's a zillion
emails from the same sender. How tough can it be to install software
that matches Yahoo return addresses against account lists?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html






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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:52:18 GMT, Peggie Hall wrote:

Jack Meholf wrote:
Don't bounce the email, very very rarely will the address be legitimate.
All you will be doing is contributing to the number of useless email being
bounced around.

I dunno, Jack... All the spam from spammers' website domains is
bounceable. I sometimes check to see if a domain exists and what it
is...and it's inevitably a "direct marketer's" website. The only ones
that aren't bounceable are from spoofed AOL, Earthlink, MSN, Yahoo etc.
I don't try...I just instruct Mailwasher to delete 'em.

I bought Mailwasher Pro partly because of its ability to bounce spam, presumably
back to the sender's server. It is a controversial subject.

I was bouncing for about 60 days, but stopped; the amount of spam I was getting
did not decrease a bit, so I figured I wasn't doing anyone a favor (especially
myself) any favors by adding to the bandwidth congestion. It also slows down
the program. That load may not be an issue for someone getting, say. 50 or 100
spams a day, but I get around a *thousand* a day. For me, it's an issue.

I'm able to deal with almost all of it (with very few false positives) by using
a combination of three live "blackhole" databases, 3,200 blacklist entries that
expire after 15 days of non-use and a set of filters that I downloaded from the
Wailwasher forum. Most of the filters delete spam immediately without any input
from me.

Some ISPs do provide filters for their users, but the fact is that those kinds
of filters *will* catch legitimate e-mail.

I'm just not willing to consider that as an option.

But anyone who's looking for a spam solution would do well to give Mailwasher a
good look!

Joe Parsons

Ironically, at least 90% of the spammers using spoofed email addresses
seem to be using Yahoo addresses. I say ironically because my ISP (SBC,
which is an alliance of most, if not all, of the Bells west of the MS
river) allied with Yahoo about a year ago...my POP server address
changed to sbc.yahoo.com, which means that all email goes through Yahoo
servers. It may be unrealistic to expect Yahoo to be able to block
incoming mail using spoofed AOL, MSN etc addresses...but one would THINK
that Yahoo SHOULD have the technology to recognize and block incoming
email from non-existant Yahoo accounts...especially if it's a zillion
emails from the same sender. How tough can it be to install software
that matches Yahoo return addresses against account lists?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

....only bouncing
everything to 10+ addresses from the same sender. Legitimate senders who
want to send new baby announcements etc to half the world would still be
able to do it by just limiting 'em to batches of 9 at a time. Prob'ly
wouldn't be foolproof, but would get rid of 90% of spam...and have the
added benefit of clogging up the spammers' servers with their own junk
coming back to 'em.

Wouldn't the spammers just send in batches of 9?