Calif Bill wrote:

"forge" wrote in message
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In article , Matt Osborn
wrote:

Just what was Bush suppose to do in your estimation? Jump up and shoot
the teacher?. Perhaps he should have fired nuclear weapons at China?
Maybe he should have run back to the White house where the next plane
would have had a better chance of taking him out?

Our government has all sorts of people who figure out what is going on
and then ask the President to make choices.

This 'seven minutes' is as disingenuous as it gets.

The point of his being stuck in that classroom for so long, is that the
Commander in Chief was incommunicado to his all-important squad of
assistants and advisers while sitting in front of a classroom full of
little kids on a *photo opportunity.* What ANY Commander in Chief of the
United States Armed Forces is supposed to do, when the United States is
attacked, is drop everything and get his ass to a command center,
preferably Air Force One which is probably the most-connected
communications center on Earth, and talk to his people so that the hard
decisions can be made - like, should we scramble jets and disable these
jets before they hit the second tower, before they hit the Pentagon?
Which are decisions that ONLY the President can make.

As for the "it would have scared the kids" excuse, pardon me, bull****.
"I'm sorry kids, the President has some Presidential business to take
care of, so y'all have a great day and we'll reschedule this for another
time! Bye now!" And done.

How is this not common sense? Anyone? Bueller?

First you assume that they knew the first plane to hit the WTC was part of
an attack.

1. The first airliner was under control when it crashed into the first
tower. It didn't just fall out of the sky. Airliners have all sorts of
equipment to let the pilots know where they are and where they are going.

2. If I recall, it was a clear, bright, sunny day.

3. If the plane hadn't been taken over by terrorists, and the pilot had
lost some control, it is really unlikely an airline pilot whose plane
was going down would choose to smack it into the WTC.

4. Bush was told about the first WTC crash before he starting trying to
read to the kiddies.

5. His aide came in and told him of the second crash.

6. Bush kept on reading.

Whatever bull**** the Bush-****ters are spinning, it is obvious by the
looks on Bush's face and by the amount of time he wasted, he was lost in
space.

Bush almost always is lost in space...why anyone would think he would
act otherwise in a real crisis is...amazing.






--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Life must be a bitch when a stupid idiot is more successful that you are.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

"forge" wrote in message
...
In article , Matt Osborn
wrote:

Just what was Bush suppose to do in your estimation? Jump up and
shoot
the teacher?. Perhaps he should have fired nuclear weapons at China?
Maybe he should have run back to the White house where the next plane
would have had a better chance of taking him out?

Our government has all sorts of people who figure out what is going
on
and then ask the President to make choices.

This 'seven minutes' is as disingenuous as it gets.

The point of his being stuck in that classroom for so long, is that the
Commander in Chief was incommunicado to his all-important squad of
assistants and advisers while sitting in front of a classroom full of
little kids on a *photo opportunity.* What ANY Commander in Chief of
the
United States Armed Forces is supposed to do, when the United States is
attacked, is drop everything and get his ass to a command center,
preferably Air Force One which is probably the most-connected
communications center on Earth, and talk to his people so that the hard
decisions can be made - like, should we scramble jets and disable these
jets before they hit the second tower, before they hit the Pentagon?
Which are decisions that ONLY the President can make.

As for the "it would have scared the kids" excuse, pardon me, bull****.
"I'm sorry kids, the President has some Presidential business to take
care of, so y'all have a great day and we'll reschedule this for
another
time! Bye now!" And done.

How is this not common sense? Anyone? Bueller?

First you assume that they knew the first plane to hit the WTC was part
of
an attack.

1. The first airliner was under control when it crashed into the first
tower. It didn't just fall out of the sky. Airliners have all sorts of
equipment to let the pilots know where they are and where they are going.

2. If I recall, it was a clear, bright, sunny day.

3. If the plane hadn't been taken over by terrorists, and the pilot had
lost some control, it is really unlikely an airline pilot whose plane
was going down would choose to smack it into the WTC.

4. Bush was told about the first WTC crash before he starting trying to
read to the kiddies.

5. His aide came in and told him of the second crash.

6. Bush kept on reading.

Whatever bull**** the Bush-****ters are spinning, it is obvious by the
looks on Bush's face and by the amount of time he wasted, he was lost in
space.

Bush almost always is lost in space...why anyone would think he would
act otherwise in a real crisis is...amazing.






--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

"forge" wrote in message
...
In article , Matt Osborn
wrote:

Just what was Bush suppose to do in your estimation? Jump up and
shoot
the teacher?. Perhaps he should have fired nuclear weapons at China?
Maybe he should have run back to the White house where the next plane
would have had a better chance of taking him out?

Our government has all sorts of people who figure out what is going
on
and then ask the President to make choices.

This 'seven minutes' is as disingenuous as it gets.

The point of his being stuck in that classroom for so long, is that the
Commander in Chief was incommunicado to his all-important squad of
assistants and advisers while sitting in front of a classroom full of
little kids on a *photo opportunity.* What ANY Commander in Chief of
the
United States Armed Forces is supposed to do, when the United States is
attacked, is drop everything and get his ass to a command center,
preferably Air Force One which is probably the most-connected
communications center on Earth, and talk to his people so that the hard
decisions can be made - like, should we scramble jets and disable these
jets before they hit the second tower, before they hit the Pentagon?
Which are decisions that ONLY the President can make.

As for the "it would have scared the kids" excuse, pardon me, bull****.
"I'm sorry kids, the President has some Presidential business to take
care of, so y'all have a great day and we'll reschedule this for
another
time! Bye now!" And done.

How is this not common sense? Anyone? Bueller?

First you assume that they knew the first plane to hit the WTC was part
of
an attack.

1. The first airliner was under control when it crashed into the first
tower. It didn't just fall out of the sky. Airliners have all sorts of
equipment to let the pilots know where they are and where they are going.


And they still fly into mountains.

2. If I recall, it was a clear, bright, sunny day.


And they still crash on those days.

3. If the plane hadn't been taken over by terrorists, and the pilot had
lost some control, it is really unlikely an airline pilot whose plane
was going down would choose to smack it into the WTC.


See #1.

4. Bush was told about the first WTC crash before he starting trying to
read to the kiddies.

5. His aide came in and told him of the second crash.

6. Bush kept on reading.

Whatever bull**** the Bush-****ters are spinning, it is obvious by the
looks on Bush's face and by the amount of time he wasted, he was lost in
space.

Bush almost always is lost in space...why anyone would think he would
act otherwise in a real crisis is...amazing.






Sort of like the other piece of **** you are running. Great thing about
being in California. It will vote Kerry, but those of us who like neither,
can happily vote Libertarian, or another party.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

"forge" wrote in message
...
In article , Matt Osborn
wrote:

Just what was Bush suppose to do in your estimation? Jump up and
shoot
the teacher?. Perhaps he should have fired nuclear weapons at China?
Maybe he should have run back to the White house where the next plane
would have had a better chance of taking him out?

Our government has all sorts of people who figure out what is going
on
and then ask the President to make choices.

This 'seven minutes' is as disingenuous as it gets.

The point of his being stuck in that classroom for so long, is that the
Commander in Chief was incommunicado to his all-important squad of
assistants and advisers while sitting in front of a classroom full of
little kids on a *photo opportunity.* What ANY Commander in Chief of
the
United States Armed Forces is supposed to do, when the United States is
attacked, is drop everything and get his ass to a command center,
preferably Air Force One which is probably the most-connected
communications center on Earth, and talk to his people so that the hard
decisions can be made - like, should we scramble jets and disable these
jets before they hit the second tower, before they hit the Pentagon?
Which are decisions that ONLY the President can make.

As for the "it would have scared the kids" excuse, pardon me, bull****.
"I'm sorry kids, the President has some Presidential business to take
care of, so y'all have a great day and we'll reschedule this for
another
time! Bye now!" And done.

How is this not common sense? Anyone? Bueller?

First you assume that they knew the first plane to hit the WTC was part
of
an attack.

1. The first airliner was under control when it crashed into the first
tower. It didn't just fall out of the sky. Airliners have all sorts of
equipment to let the pilots know where they are and where they are going.


And they still fly into mountains.

2. If I recall, it was a clear, bright, sunny day.


And they still crash on those days.

Please show the last time a passenger airliner, with crew training and
equipment standards up to date crashed into a highrise building.

3. If the plane hadn't been taken over by terrorists, and the pilot had
lost some control, it is really unlikely an airline pilot whose plane
was going down would choose to smack it into the WTC.


See #1.

4. Bush was told about the first WTC crash before he starting trying to
read to the kiddies.

5. His aide came in and told him of the second crash.

6. Bush kept on reading.

Whatever bull**** the Bush-****ters are spinning, it is obvious by the
looks on Bush's face and by the amount of time he wasted, he was lost in
space.

Bush almost always is lost in space...why anyone would think he would
act otherwise in a real crisis is...amazing.






Sort of like the other piece of **** you are running. Great thing about
being in California. It will vote Kerry, but those of us who like neither,
can happily vote Libertarian, or another party.

Perhaps the ONLY "great thing" about living in the S.F. bay area of
California.

"basskisser" wrote in message

Please show the last time a passenger airliner, with crew training and
equipment standards up to date crashed into a highrise building.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...ate010911.html

Hi

Couldnt help myself buttt.......

Isnt it kinda sad about Jimmy Carter?

Probably one of the (actually, not hyped) smartest presidents we've had in a
long time....and most arguably the most moral/upstanding one(compare any "dirt"
(is there any?) on him to ANY other president in modern times)....and I get the
feeling he WAS a president that truelly did CARE about doing what he thought
was the right thing to do (regardless of politics/getting reelected).....now
dont get me wrong, he did alot I didnt agree with then (and now).....but at
least I could respect the man....yet despite all these positive points, he was
a pretty crappy president in action......makes you wonder about the "system" as
much as the presidency doesnt it?

take care

Blll

BllFs6 wrote:
Hi

Couldnt help myself buttt.......

Isnt it kinda sad about Jimmy Carter?

The saddest thing about Jimmy Carter is that he's been the target of a
right-wing smear campaign for thirty years.


Probably one of the (actually, not hyped) smartest presidents we've had in a
long time....and most arguably the most moral/upstanding one...

What's "arguable" about it? I don't think there has been a President on
the same moral plane since at least Coolidge... if ever...

....yet despite all these positive points, he was
a pretty crappy president in action......makes you wonder about the "system" as
much as the presidency doesnt it?

What is "crappy" about what Carter did? Perhaps you were against the
national energy conservation initiative because you think wasting energy
is a better idea? Maybe you did not know about the conventional arms
limitation treaty, which did more to stabilize 3rd World politics than
any other action ever undertaken? Maybe you think the Camp David accords
were "crappy"?

President Carter had a bad tendency to micromanage, and he had no
concept of using patronage for political leverage. He got undermined at
every turn by those who profit from the system... the Iran hostage
rescue mission disaster was his only really big failure. If you can
think of others please tell us.

History will place Carter much higher on the scale than any other
President since Truman. Just wait a hundred years or so

DSK

I don't think that now is the time to be shipping troops home from S.
Korea.

Unless you hope to provoke an incident.

On 16 Aug 2004 16:58:19 GMT, (BllFs6) wrote:

Hi

Couldnt help myself buttt.......

Isnt it kinda sad about Jimmy Carter?

Probably one of the (actually, not hyped) smartest presidents we've had in a
long time....and most arguably the most moral/upstanding one(compare any "dirt"
(is there any?) on him to ANY other president in modern times)....and I get the
feeling he WAS a president that truelly did CARE about doing what he thought
was the right thing to do (regardless of politics/getting reelected).....now
dont get me wrong, he did alot I didnt agree with then (and now).....but at
least I could respect the man....yet despite all these positive points, he was
a pretty crappy president in action......makes you wonder about the "system" as
much as the presidency doesnt it?

As smart and as compassionate as Carter was, his biggest problem was
that he was politically weak. Our enemies knew it, which is why the
Iran hostage situation lasted as long as it did.

His economic policies failed to prevent double digit inflation and
interest rates.

As a person, Carter was one of the best presidents ever. But as an
administration, his was one of the worst.

Dave

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:23:16 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:


As smart and as compassionate as Carter was, his biggest problem was that
he was politically weak. Our enemies knew it, which is why the Iran
hostage situation lasted as long as it did.

Is that why the hostage situation lasted so long?


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