On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:01:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Louis Boyd" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:41:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote

Seems you have no reading comprehension or any logic background what so
ever. So, I ask again, the cops should shoot when ever things are
thrown at
them?


Of course not. Its on a case by case basis. If the crowd was hurling
deadly ping pong balls at them, Id say no. If the crowd was hurling
molotov cocktails, or rocks or bottles at them, Id have to say yes.

So remember boys and girls..if you dont want to die..dont hurl deadly
objects at the men with guns. If you really want to hurt them, get
your own guns and have a pitched battle.

Gunner

There is no middle ground between a peaceful protest and an ambush. To
have a successful peaceful protest all of the protesters must remain
peaceful even if the opposition is not. At Kent State the National
Guard was peaceful though well armed. But a few protesters chose to use
rocks against troops with firearms. A thrown rock is a lethal weapon.
Before firearms became common tremendous numbers of battle deaths
resulted from thrown rocks (mostly from slings). The rock throwing was
exceptionally foolish as it justified (and arguably required) the troops
to fire in self defense. Had most of the protesters thrown rocks they
could have killed the guardsmen who were greatly outnumbered. The
fault (if fault needs to be assigned) lies with a few undiciplined rock
throwers, not with the National Guard.

Jeeze, you logic is totally FUBAR

Blink blink...how so? Are you going to let a large crowd of rioters
throw rocks and lethal objects at you and not respond in self defense?

If so..what color would you like your chalk outline be drawn in?

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:11:28 GMT, "Jeff McCann"
wrote:


"Julian D." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:12 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps


I'm wise enough to avoid doing anything that would get my skull
crushed by a police baton.

It takes real guts to confront the cops in a peaceful protest. It wasn't so
long ago that swinging batons, firehoses, tear gas, and attack dogs were the
all too common approach to dissent. Very recently, we saw official
intimidation and unlawful detentions used against protester in NYC.
Standing up to be counted is a dangerous undertaking, even in our supposedly
enlightened era. But sometimes it just has to be done, and that means
somebody has to find the guts to do it.

Jeff

Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the
Rep. Convention. No blogs please.

Gunner



"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

Lawrence Glickman wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:19:01 -0700, Louis Boyd
wrote:


There is no middle ground between a peaceful protest and an ambush. To
have a successful peaceful protest all of the protesters must remain
peaceful even if the opposition is not. At Kent State the National
Guard was peaceful though well armed. But a few protesters chose to use
rocks against troops with firearms. A thrown rock is a lethal weapon.
Before firearms became common tremendous numbers of battle deaths
resulted from thrown rocks (mostly from slings). The rock throwing was
exceptionally foolish as it justified (and arguably required) the troops
to fire in self defense. Had most of the protesters thrown rocks they
could have killed the guardsmen who were greatly outnumbered. The
fault (if fault needs to be assigned) lies with a few undiciplined rock
throwers, not with the National Guard.

Pot Kettle Black
Palestinian Rock Throwers vs. Kent State Students
Pot Kettle Black

What's the pot & kettle stuff? Self defense is justified assuming the
"defender" has not provoked the attack.

As this is a survivalist group it should be noted that it's dangerous to
be a member of a pacifist protest group. In doing so you put your life
in the hands of the weakest person in the group who might be goaded to
violence or even of an outsider who joins the group after it's formed.
It's not safe to be a policeman or soldier who's placed in the position
of facing such a group either.

Dan wrote:

"Gunner" wrote

Still longing for the days of the USSR?

Perhaps he is just tired of the US&A being run by dickwads...


Incompetent lying killer dickwads.


Dan

Gunner wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:33:18 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you
protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of
rights


It's just another example, albeit historial, of the wonderful face of
democracy we offer the world when the fascist Republicans are in office.

I must say that its a wonderful change from the face of democracy we
offer the world when the fascist Democrats are in office.

Yep.
Debate and facts are such terrible things to argue about. Kind
of hard to get the dems to do much without someone wanting facts
and thought first. Then they may argue for years ....

It's much better to just have secret cameras in your bedroom
and your phone tapped and bunkers searched while the deficit
spending builds and more "terrorists" are created by the
secret Imperials with prayer meetings on the taxpayer dollar
(and trying to sneak into the schools) ...

HAND
--
Cliff

On 12 Sep 2004 04:03:42 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Hell sonny boy..I was there. As a interested bystander less than 5
days after the riots ended.

So you didn't see squat.

Funny that the congressional investigation that concluded the guardsmen were
clearly in the wrong didn't call you to testify. Heck, you could have been all
the help in the world- with hearsay evidence only five days after the fact.

Gould 007,

I said it before, and I'll say it again: 007 is way cool, man.
Keep up the good work...

--
Q

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:13:43 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:03:03 +0000, Steve Canyon wrote:


LOL Yeah, Krause is exactly the sort of guy I would expect to have a
bunch of malcontents at his beck and call. Hey Harry, why don't you bring
your troop of screw-ups, dead-beats and flunkies down here to western
Florida. We definitely know how to handle malcontents down here.

Rosewood comes to mind.

LOL, watch a liberal moron play the race card, .....as if they ever
had exclusive ownership of it..


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200 Los Angeles votes.

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"Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived
in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status
changed dramatically with the Patriot Act."

http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt



Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson.
Why were you pretending to be a citizen?

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:49:25 +0000, Gunner wrote:


Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the Rep.
Convention. No blogs please.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...tion.protests/

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:54:45 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Another dumb as dirt Bush dick sucker, eh? Betcha your manhood is tied
up in your pistolas.

Another dumb as dirt Kerry lefty who equates firearms with manhood.

More likely he realizes that someone like you, that has to beat your
gums about their guns, is inadequate in some way.

You are way too obvious. You telegraph your moves. You would be the
jittery one, probably talking to yourself. Way easy to pick off.

thunder wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:49:25 +0000, Gunner wrote:

Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the Rep.
Convention. No blogs please.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...tion.protests/


For the record, these were unlawful arrests.

Unlawful arrests may be resisted by whatever force necessary.

The NYC protestors would have been within thier rights to stop the
unlawful arrests.