MacGregor 26


It's often noted that every boat is a study in compromise. We express
individual preferences for design choices balancing speed and fuel economy.
Boaters consider tradeoffs between larger enclosed cabins and maximum exterior
deck space. We wrestle with the benefits of flybridge visibility at the cost of
longer rolling moments and windage. Shall we power with gas engines, (cheaper
to buy), or diesel, (cheaper to operate)? There is no universally correct
choice, so the wide varieties of boats we own and enjoy reflect a healthy
diversity of taste and opinion.

One of the first decisions most boaters will face is the fundamental choice
between power and sail. Nearly every other aspect of marine design is commonly
compromised, but the vast majority of builders turn out a product that is
clearly definable as either a sailboat, or a powerboat. Few manufacturers
endeavor to combine the best aspects of a speedy, planing, outboard hull and a
nimble, fun to sail, cruising sloop. The MacGregor Yacht Corporation,
(represented in the Pacific Northwest by Blue Water Yachts on Seattle's Lake
Union), not only attempts the unlikely marriage of power and sail but has
invented a highly successful niche category of high speed trailer sailors in
the process.

Todd and Cheryl McChesney own Blue Water Yachts, the largest trailerable
sailboat dealership in North America. Cheryl took us for a test sail on a new,
2005 MacGregor 26. We quickly realized that while the MacGregor 26 is not the
"ultimate" powerboat or an ultra fine-tuned racing sailboat, it is a uniquely
enjoyable and surprisingly affordable vessel that offers a wide spectrum of
choices for enjoying our NW waters. As Todd McChesney observed, "No boat will
ever be all things to all people, but the MacGregor has proven to offer enough
things, to enough people, that we have a lot of very happy and satisfied
owners."

About MacGregor:

MacGregor Yachts began building boats in the early 1960's. The company business
model was conceived by a group of graduate students at the Stanford School of
Business.
MacGregor invented the retracting keel adaptation that energized the
trailerable sailboat market. Sailboats with fixed keels can be more difficult
to tow and nearly impossible to launch at most boat ramps, (the protruding keel
puts the hull so high in the air that the tow vehicle could easily be submerged
before the boat found enough depth to float free of the trailer). With a
retractable keel, a trailerable sailboat sits low on the trailer and launches
as easily as a small runabout.

When MacGregor first began building trailerable boats, families commonly owned
a rear wheel drive, body on frame, V8 automobile with substantial towing
abilities. As cars shifted to front wheel drive and lower horsepower engines,
MacGregor recognized a need to reduce the weight of the vessels to facilitate
safe towing. The innovative solution was MacGregor's water ballast system.
Water ballast provides the weight required for safe and stable sailing, but the
weight can be literally drained away when the MacGregor is hauled out on its
trailer.

Eliminating the static ballast allowed MacGregor to improve the performance of
the
26 when operated as a powerboat. One of the company's promotional brochures
includes a photo of an adult water skier being towed by a 26 MacGregor. It is
unusual, to say the least, to see a water skier zipping along behind a boat
equipped with a mast. (With a 50HP outboard, the MacGregor 26 will turn about
22 mph). Few people seeking a boat to be used primarily for water skiing would
chose a MacGregor, just as an extremely serious sailor might prefer a more
specialized and highly evolved sailing hull. MacGregors appeal to boaters who
hope to enjoy the fun of sailing and the distance-shrinking cruising ability of
a powerboat in a single vessel.

MacGregor can legitimately claim to be one of the larger volume manufacturers,
having launched in excess of 35,000 boats.


Meet the MacGregor 26:

The 2005 MacGregor 26 is constructed of hand laminated fiberglass, without the
use of chop strand or "coring". The dry weight of the empty boat is 2550
pounds, and the beam is 7'9" to permit easy trailering. (The trailer weighs
another 710 pounds). The general style above the waterline is reminiscent of a
small sloop, but there is a broad flat transom with an engine well that
accommodates up to 70HP outboard motors. With the daggerboard and rudders in
the "up" positions, the MacGregor is a planing hull, with a mere twelve-inch
draft. The cockpit will easily seat four to six, with a pedestal mounted
steering wheel and engine controls. Side decks are nonexistent, with access
between the foredeck and the cockpit routed across the cabintop. Fortunately,
Blue Water Yachts rigs their boats for easy, single-handed sailing from the
cockpit. The roller-furled jib also reduces the need to go forward when
underway.

The MacGregor 26 interior provides all the basic amenities of family cruiser.
An extremely roomy double berth is most aft, under the cockpit. Just forward,
to starboard, is a dinette that will seat four. MacGregor incorporates a unique
"sliding galley" mounted to port. The galley locks into three different
positions. When slid forward, it is opposite the dinette and there is well over
six feet of standing headroom available for the cook. In the middle position,
the alcohol stove and sink can be used with ease, and additional seating space
is created on the port side of the main cabin. With the galley secured by the
détente most aft, it is entirely under the cockpit but there is still plenty of
room to sleep two in the aft berth and sliding the galley all the way aft
creates an additional single bunk on the port side of the main cabin. Two can
sleep in the forepeak, and the dinette folds down into a single berth over
7-feet long. One could sleep six adults on a MacGregor 26, but frankly the boat
would seem more appropriately accommodating for 2-3 adults, or a young couple
with perhaps two or three kids.

Many smaller boats have no toilet facilities, or a "porta-pottie" arrangement
that stows under a bunk when not being used. Privacy on many small boats is
non-existent. The MacGregor 26 has an enclosed head compartment with a mirrored
bulkhead, so privacy is achieved without asking everyone aboard to "look
elsewhere." Blue Water Yachts includes a portable marine toilet in all but the
most basically equipped boats, and a standard marine toilet with a through hull
and holding tank can be fitted if desired.

Getting underway:

We didn't need to launch the MacGregor 26; it was secured to a dock at the Blue
Water Yachts office. Launching a MacGregor is reported to be an easy task, with
the aluminum mast easily raised or lowered by a single person. (There is an
optional mechanical device that uses a brake winch and support pole to more
precisely control the mast while raising or lowering). The forestay is the only
rigging disconnected when the mast is lowered, so setting the mast up again is
a simple procedure. Launching would involve only a minimum of fussing around,
once floated free from the trailer.

To exit the dock, we lowered the daggerboard and the twin, trailing, rudders.
Cheryl put the MacGregor into the fairway, spun it around smartly on the
daggerboard pivot point, and we motored out to Lake Union. The outboard ran
flawlessly. The MacGregor's "sailboat genes" allowed it to be very agile in
tight quarters.

Sail ho!

Once out on the lake, Cheryl showed us how easily the MacGregor converts from a
powerboat to sail. The first order of business was to confirm that there was
water in the ballast tank. Removing a cap from a fitting under the V-berth
allowed water to displace the air in the system, and we confirmed the tank was
full by sighting water within a half-inch of the vent fitting.

For purposes of our demonstration, we would be doing a "low tech" sail,
(there's a limit to what a stinkpotter can be expected to absorb). We centered
the boom over the companionway dodger. After removing the sail cover and the
bungee cords bundling the mainsail against the boom, Cheryl motored into the
wind and we raised the mainsail. Once the mainsail was up, Cheryl raised the
outboard, disconnected it from the hydraulic steering ram and secured it on an
adjacent post. Disconnecting the motor reduced the load on the steering wheel
to just the two rudders trailing off the stern. We were surprised to learn that
the extra point for securing the outboard was a Blue Water Yachts innovation,
and Todd and Cheryl sell the parts for this system to MacGregor dealers and
owners throughout North America.

We scooted along under the 170-sq. ft. mainsail, making surprisingly good
progress up wind. Cheryl commented that many sailors are surprised at how well
the MacGregor 26 goes to windward. There is a powerful, soothing, silence when
under sail- an experience that can't be exactly duplicated in a powerboat of
any type. Sailing is a natural, organic, experience, with Nature herself
carrying you toward your destination. Every time I go sailing, I resolve to do
it more often.

We unfurled the job and turned to take the wind broad abeam. It's a good thing
the seven-knot speed limit on Lake Union doesn't apply to sailboats- we were
flying! The planing characteristics of the MacGregor hull free the vessel from
the constraining bow wave that decrees a 26-foot displacement hull sailboat
normally sail at a "hull speed" of about seven knots. With a moderate wind on
Lake Union, we were clipping along faster than one would expect- and factory
sales literature claims that with enough wind a MacGregor can achieve 13-14
knots under sail.

We heeled over on the beam reach, but the water ballast proved to be effective.
Sitting on the high side of the cockpit and watching the chop bouncing off the
hull is a real sailing experience, (as it should be, since the MacGregor is a
"real" sailboat).

Cheryl called our attention to the MacGregor's rotating mast. The mast is
shaped like an airfoil, and automatically seeks the proper angle relative to
the wind direction. (The shrouds and spreader remain fixed.) A non-rotating
mast can deflect the wind and create a "dead spot" in the head of the sail. The
rotating mast all but eliminates the deflection of air away from the sail, and
the wind fills the sail more efficiently. The rotating mast, the shallow draft,
and the relatively light weight all contribute to a surprisingly speedy
experience under sail.

Powering up

Sailing the MacGregor was such fun; we could have spent all day just blowing up
and down the lake. Alas, time limitations eventually dictated that we douse the
mainsail, furl the jib, and experience the MacGregor in powerboat mode.

We hauled up the dagggerboard, lowered the outboard and reconnected it to the
steering ram, and hauled up the trailing rudders. Our top speed would be
slightly reduced because we still had the water ballast in the tanks; the
MacGregor drains the ballast tanks when hauled out onto its trailer. We headed
for the "speed lane" and throttled up.

The MacGregor 26 stepped up to plane very quickly, easily reaching about 20
knots with minimal wake. Aside from the empty mast protruding from the cabin
top, there is little difference between running the MacGregor at a moderate
speed opposed to any one of a number of traditional runabouts. Most trailerable
sailboats will motor at five or six knots, or about ¼ the speed of a MacGregor.
Fuel economy is said to be in the 4-5 nmpg range, a very acceptable number for
a 20-knot boat. Make no mistake about it; the MacGregor is a real powerboat,
too.


Conclusions:

As Todd McChesney stated, no boat can be all things to all people. There are
certainly higher performing, more technical, sailboats, (and more exciting,
speedier powerboats), than a MacGregor. What MacGregor does singularly well is
to combine a very wide range of fun boating experiences into a single vessel.
It would seem almost too obvious that a boat that can sail well and then slip
easily into planing powerboat mode will appeal to a greater number of family
members and could enhance the family's total boating enjoyment.

I have often wondered what happened to the affordable, family boat. It's all
too easy to attend a boat show and conclude that unless one is prepared to
invest $80,000-$100,000, or substantially more, it may be tough to go home with
a new boat on which a family of four would consider spending a week in the San
Juans. The affordable family boat is alive and well, and available at Blue
Water Yachts. Todd and Cheryl employ a "no-dicker" pricing policy and offer the
same low price to all comers. The Blue Water Yachts "bare boat" package
includes the bare essentials, (but no outboard), and prices out at $20,999.

There are packages that include 50 - 70 HP Nissan and Suzuki outboards, dual
battery systems, marine coolers, canvas covers, and much, much, more. The
extremely well equipped boat we tested at Blue Water Yachts was configured with
the "Super Cruising Package"; more than adequately prepared to depart on a
summer vacation cruise at a moment's notice. The MacGregor 26 with this
top-of-the line option group is still modestly priced at $30,999.

Affordable family boats are good news for the marine industry, as well as for
the families that are enjoying them. Cheryl McChesney expressed it very
succinctly.
"I really enjoy selling MacGregors, they make people so happy!"

One could do far worse than own a boat specializing in happiness.

Gould 0738 wrote:
MacGregor 26

It's often noted that every boat is a study in compromise.

True.

... There is no universally correct choice

Again, true... but right now let's talk boats, not politics

While this is a well written article, it glosses over some of the more
serious issues regarding this particular boat. I have been very
disappointed in MacGregor Yacht's publicity in the past, since they
have gone over the line from glossing lightly over the truth to simply
ignoring it wholesale. Maybe it's something in the water?



One of the first decisions most boaters will face is the fundamental choice
between power and sail.

Personally, I don't think that's true. Sailors want a sailboat. Period.
Motorboaters might or might not be interested in sailing... probably not.


MacGregor invented the retracting keel adaptation that energized the
trailerable sailboat market.

That is a blatant lie. Centerboards, daggerboards, swing keels, etc etc
were all invented prior to the turn of the last century.


... The innovative solution was MacGregor's water ballast system.

They didn't invent this either.

BTW it would be nice to mention that water ballast is a compromise
itself. It does not provide the same righting moment or stability as
lead (or iron) ballast, but it does offer the benefit of reduced
trailering weight.


Water ballast provides the weight required for safe and stable sailing...
Eliminating the static ballast allowed MacGregor to improve the performance of
the
26 when operated as a powerboat.

It might be noted that the MacGregor 26 has limited stability without
the ballast tank full. Several of them have flipped over, at least one
with fatalities.

... (With a 50HP outboard, the MacGregor 26 will turn about
22 mph).

This is where they skate lightly around the truth... it will make that
speed with the motor, 1 person aboard, and very little else. Increasing
the load aboard dramatically reduces the top speed. I think the
MacGregor literature mentions this in the fine print.



MacGregor can legitimately claim to be one of the larger volume manufacturers,
having launched in excess of 35,000 boats.

Now that part is true. And a lot of them sail quite well, and hold up
surprisingly well.


Meet the MacGregor 26:

It should be noted that the current model is quite different from the
1986-1994 model "MacGregor 26." Originally the motor/sailer concept boat
was marketed as the "M-26X" to differentiate this... now they seem to
have dropped this distinction, possibly to take advantage of the
confusion. The older Mac 26 sails quite well and is regarded as somewhat
of a PHRF giant-killer.

We didn't need to launch the MacGregor 26; it was secured to a dock at the Blue
Water Yachts office. Launching a MacGregor is reported to be an easy task

Why didn't you test this out, Chuck? It's a very important part of the
functionality of this particular boat.

We have some friends with the Mac 26 X and IMHO it is relatively easy to
trailer, rig, and launch... especially compared to some of the older
"trailerable" swing keel boats. But it ain't no cupcake either. I know
of several former Mac 26X owners who found it enough of a PITA that they
moved to a slip... increasing the expense dramatically... or just got a
different boat.


Sail ho!

.....Cheryl commented that many sailors are surprised at how well
the MacGregor 26 goes to windward.

And it will continue to surprise many, as long as there isn't a *real*
sailboat passing it... which happens frequently.

This is one of the sore points, to me... these things don't really sail
well at all, if you're accustomed to sailing anything else. They don't
steer like a sailboat, they don't feel like a sailboat, and their
performance is sluggish at best. For many years my wife & I sailed &
cruised in a much smaller trailerable sailboat, often in company with
our friends in their Mac 26X's and invariably sailed rings around them.



Conclusions:

As Todd McChesney stated, no boat can be all things to all people. There are
certainly higher performing, more technical, sailboats, (and more exciting,
speedier powerboats), than a MacGregor. What MacGregor does singularly well is
to combine a very wide range of fun boating experiences into a single vessel.

That's true. I'd give the Mac 26 points for the concept... it's also a
roomy, comfy boat... and not as expensive as many out there.

Basically, it's a travel trailer that is shaped enough like a boat that
it can move under sail or motor. If you compare it's performance under
power to similar motorboats, you'd come away with about the same
impression it gives as a sailboat. The real reason why people buy them
is because of the roominess/price comparison. If you shop for a new boat
with comparable cabin space, you're looking at roughly twice the price.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

One of the first decisions most boaters will face is the fundamental choice
between power and sail.

Personally, I don't think that's true. Sailors want a sailboat. Period.
Motorboaters might or might not be interested in sailing... probably not.

Few sailing purists would choose a MacGregor. A performance oriented
powerboater would not choose a MacGregor, either. I see this boat as something
for folks who are willing to step outside the traditional "box", and who would
enjoy doing some recreational sailing without being restricted to 5-7 knots
when under power.

MacGregor invented the retracting keel adaptation that energized the
trailerable sailboat market.

That is a blatant lie. Centerboards, daggerboards, swing keels, etc etc
were all invented prior to the turn of the last century.

You need to read the entire sentence.
They invented the "adaptation that energized the trailerable sailboat market".
I wouldn't be sruprised to learn that the Egyptians had retracting keels- but I
don't think they had a lot of trailer boats. :-)

Still, I appreciate that insight. If you took the sentence to mean that
MacGregor invented retracting keels, others might as well. I'll consider
tweaking that a bit before
this gets published in the "real" world.



... The innovative solution was MacGregor's water ballast system.

They didn't invent this either.

No, they didn't invent water ballast- but they did design MacGregor's water
ballast system. Water ballast is an innovative substitute for iron ballast. I
might tweak this sentence a bit, too.

It might be noted that the MacGregor 26 has limited stability without
the ballast tank full. Several of them have flipped over, at least one
with fatalities.

I can't imagine anybody sailing without filling the ballast tank. Is that a
problem with the design, or user error?

... (With a 50HP outboard, the MacGregor 26 will turn about
22 mph).

This is where they skate lightly around the truth... it will make that
speed with the motor, 1 person aboard, and very little else.

Typical standard for "official" speed claims.

Increasing
the load aboard dramatically reduces the top speed.

No doubt. When a boat weighs only 2500 pounds, adding 1000 pounds of people
and/or gear increases the weight by 40%.
When a boat weighs 20,000 pounds that same 1000 pound load increases the weight
by 5%.


We didn't need to launch the MacGregor 26; it was secured to a dock at the
Blue
Water Yachts office. Launching a MacGregor is reported to be an easy task

Why didn't you test this out, Chuck? It's a very important part of the
functionality of this particular boat.


I've actually helped launch a MacGregor in the past. Aside from getting the
mast up and the forestay secured, it wasn't really any more of a hassle than
launching a powerboat. I thought getting the mast down and properly secured was
a bigger job, as I remember. However, we didn't launch the boat during this
short test and I
wouldn't want to claim that we did.

And it will continue to surprise many, as long as there isn't a *real*
sailboat passing it... which happens frequently.

This is one of the sore points, to me... these things don't really sail
well at all, if you're accustomed to sailing anything else. They don't
steer like a sailboat, they don't feel like a sailboat, and their
performance is sluggish at best.

I think you're probably right on all counts.
This boat would not be the first choice for somebody primarily interested in
performance sailing. It's a recreational sailboat. I think the idea is to have
"fun" doing some sailing, and not worry about whether somebody else is sailing
faster,
more directly upwind, etc.

The MacGregor sails better than almost any powerboat. :-) It certainly motors
faster than most sailboats. It's a unique, highly compromised vessel that can
provide a lot of fun- but will suffer in direct comparison with boats that
specialize in one aspect or another of the MacGregor compromise.

As Todd McChesney stated, no boat can be all things to all people. There
are
certainly higher performing, more technical, sailboats, (and more exciting,
speedier powerboats), than a MacGregor. What MacGregor does singularly well
is
to combine a very wide range of fun boating experiences into a single
vessel.

That's true. I'd give the Mac 26 points for the concept... it's also a
roomy, comfy boat... and not as expensive as many out there.

Basically, it's a travel trailer that is shaped enough like a boat that
it can move under sail or motor. If you compare it's performance under
power to similar motorboats, you'd come away with about the same
impression it gives as a sailboat. The real reason why people buy them
is because of the roominess/price comparison. If you shop for a new boat
with comparable cabin space, you're looking at roughly twice the price.

The MacGregor has put 35,000 people on the water. That ain't all bad. Will my
next boat be a MacGregor 26? Nope. Would I want to venture out into 6 footers
in a 2500 pound boat? Nope, again. But the concept has a lot of merit- an
affordable, functional, easy to operate boat that will provide a wide variety
of fun, family-level experiences on the water.




Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Gould 0738 wrote:
Few sailing purists would choose a MacGregor.

I agree... but it's not a matter of "sailing purists." We have several
friends who have owned Mac 26X's so i don't intend to just slam them...
but (for example) after I took one out on a Lightning (a 1930s design,
classy boat but not a hot-rod) he then wanted me to come sailing with
him on his boat and help him "fix" it.

It's certainly true that I am spoiled... but it seems unlikely that
anybody who has sailed a well-balanced, good performing sailboat, is
going to be in the least satisfied with the sailing characteristics of a
Mac-26. They are also beastly to try and steer in a chop.


... A performance oriented
powerboater would not choose a MacGregor, either.

Probably about the same, relative to it's sailing performance.


MacGregor invented the retracting keel adaptation that energized the
trailerable sailboat market.

That is a blatant lie. Centerboards, daggerboards, swing keels, etc etc
were all invented prior to the turn of the last century.


You need to read the entire sentence.
They invented the "adaptation that energized the trailerable sailboat market".
I wouldn't be sruprised to learn that the Egyptians had retracting keels- but I
don't think they had a lot of trailer boats. :-)

Roger MacGregor is a better designer than he's often given credit for,
but he didn't invent a darn thing. Not the centerboard, not the swing
keel, and not the "adaptation."

You can tinker with the wording but it's misleading at best. Why not
tell the truth... MacGregor's early trailersailer designs were
innovative, inexpensive, and popular.

... The innovative solution was MacGregor's water ballast system.

They didn't invent this either.


No, they didn't invent water ballast- but they did design MacGregor's water
ballast system.

So? I invented the "King water ballast system." I could claim to have
invented dozens of things... especially if you let me make the claim for
things I saw other people using first.

Again, it's misleading at best. There were other water ballasted
trailerable sailboats before Macgregor began building them.


It might be noted that the MacGregor 26 has limited stability without
the ballast tank full. Several of them have flipped over, at least one
with fatalities.


I can't imagine anybody sailing without filling the ballast tank. Is that a
problem with the design, or user error?

Depends on who you ask. In the case with fatalities, the boat was being
used under power, without the mast in place, but with a crowd of people
on the cabin top. Personally I consider it a design flaw, but it should
be noted that *any* boat, including the QE2, has limits to their
righting moment that must not be exceeded.

IMHO it is within reasonable expectations for a 26' boat to carry a
half-dozen people on it's coachroof without flipping over. It's also in
the nature of this type of design that it has great initial stability,
but little or no reserve. In other words, it will heel a little as a
warning, and then suddenly flop down on it's side. That's why I consider
it a design flaw.

I've actually helped launch a MacGregor in the past. Aside from getting the
mast up and the forestay secured, it wasn't really any more of a hassle than
launching a powerboat. I thought getting the mast down and properly secured was
a bigger job, as I remember. However, we didn't launch the boat during this
short test and I
wouldn't want to claim that we did.

OK. It would be worth mentioning that you have done it, and your
impressions, if it doesn't exceed the article's length limit. I'd agree
with your assessment.

One reason we got the smaller boat is that we wanted onet that was
easier to trailer, rig, and launch. In all the years we sailed &
cruised, and were members of several different clubs, I never saw a boat
that was easy as ours. Like I said, I'm spoiled!




And it will continue to surprise many, as long as there isn't a *real*
sailboat passing it... which happens frequently.



I think you're probably right on all counts.
This boat would not be the first choice for somebody primarily interested in
performance sailing. It's a recreational sailboat. I think the idea is to have
"fun" doing some sailing, and not worry about whether somebody else is sailing
faster,
more directly upwind, etc.

Sure. If you want to move along without the motor noise, ya got that.
And speed isn't the only criteria for sailing, obviously. My objection
is that it *doesn't* provide the "fun" of sailing... not the heel, not
the feel, not the handling... as evidenced by most of the people I know
who *used* to have these boats and moved on.


The MacGregor sails better than almost any powerboat. :-)

Now that part is definitely true!

... It certainly motors
faster than most sailboats.

Yep. It motors faster than my motorboat, in fact.


... It's a unique, highly compromised vessel that can
provide a lot of fun- but will suffer in direct comparison with boats that
specialize in one aspect or another of the MacGregor compromise.

I don't think it's fair to say that a motorboat without sails is
"compromised." Certainly I don't think that the many sailboats I've
owned with no motor (some of which it would be physically impossible to
mount a motor on) were "compromised" either. They do what they're intended.


The MacGregor has put 35,000 people on the water.

But *not* in this Pow-R-Sail-R boat. MacGregor likes to imply this, and
it's more misdirection. C'mon Chuck, you and I both object strenuously
to this kind of malarkey in politics! Why are you pushing it in boating?


... That ain't all bad.

I didn't say it was all bad. I hope you don't see my posts as any kind
of hatchet job. But you keep saying "it's a compromise" and then
ignoring the other side of the trade-offs.


.... Will my
next boat be a MacGregor 26? Nope. Would I want to venture out into 6 footers
in a 2500 pound boat? Nope, again. But the concept has a lot of merit-

Yes, it does. So drop the advertising fluff & the misleading hype and
concentrate on the merits. It's a great water toy... and it's not a bad
camper trailer either

Fresh Breezes- Doug King