HMS permit
 

OK...I know...this is a boating group, but since boating and fishing go hand
in hand, and since the sal****er fishing group is almost completely dead and
there seems to be a lot of expertise here, I thought I'd try here as well.

I recently purchased an offshore fishing boat. I need to obtain one of
those permits that used to be called a Tuna permit and is now called a HMS
permit I think. I called to order one and was told that I can't get one
until my federal documentation paperwork is finished...a process that the
broker told me could take 6 months! I can't believe this is true. I
mean...I pay 160K for a boat and can't fish on it for 6 months because I
need to obtain a 22 dollar permit that they won't issue until they get
around to finishing my paperwork!

Is this really true? I've fished all of my life, but this is the first boat
I've owned. I really wonder if the number they need is simply the Hull
Identification Number...which isn't going to change, or will I be issued a
documentation number when the process is complete and that's what they need
to issue the HMS permit?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!

Gary

Just use what ever registration number is on the boat now if it is a used
boat. If new, get state registration for it. Here in California the state
registration is on $10 for 2 years. But the tax man gets you now matter if
it is state or federal registered.

"Gary" wrote in message
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OK...I know...this is a boating group, but since boating and fishing go
hand
in hand, and since the sal****er fishing group is almost completely dead
and
there seems to be a lot of expertise here, I thought I'd try here as well.

I recently purchased an offshore fishing boat. I need to obtain one of
those permits that used to be called a Tuna permit and is now called a HMS
permit I think. I called to order one and was told that I can't get one
until my federal documentation paperwork is finished...a process that the
broker told me could take 6 months! I can't believe this is true. I
mean...I pay 160K for a boat and can't fish on it for 6 months because I
need to obtain a 22 dollar permit that they won't issue until they get
around to finishing my paperwork!

Is this really true? I've fished all of my life, but this is the first
boat
I've owned. I really wonder if the number they need is simply the Hull
Identification Number...which isn't going to change, or will I be issued a
documentation number when the process is complete and that's what they
need
to issue the HMS permit?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!

Gary

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:06:30 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

OK...I know...this is a boating group, but since boating and fishing go hand
in hand, and since the sal****er fishing group is almost completely dead and
there seems to be a lot of expertise here, I thought I'd try here as well.

I recently purchased an offshore fishing boat. I need to obtain one of
those permits that used to be called a Tuna permit and is now called a HMS
permit I think. I called to order one and was told that I can't get one
until my federal documentation paperwork is finished...a process that the
broker told me could take 6 months! I can't believe this is true. I
mean...I pay 160K for a boat and can't fish on it for 6 months because I
need to obtain a 22 dollar permit that they won't issue until they get
around to finishing my paperwork!

Is this really true? I've fished all of my life, but this is the first boat
I've owned. I really wonder if the number they need is simply the Hull
Identification Number...which isn't going to change, or will I be issued a
documentation number when the process is complete and that's what they need
to issue the HMS permit?

Anyone have any ideas?

Your broker will give you temporary documentation to operate the boat
(the same documentation that you use to insure the boat) and that is
what you use to call for the permit. That temporary documentation has
the hull ID and is notarized I believe.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

That's what I thought. I have the temporary documentation, but when I
called to obtain the permit, they say that they can't use the temp number.
I wonder if the girl on the phone knew what she was talking about.



"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:06:30 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

OK...I know...this is a boating group, but since boating and fishing go
hand
in hand, and since the sal****er fishing group is almost completely dead
and
there seems to be a lot of expertise here, I thought I'd try here as
well.

I recently purchased an offshore fishing boat. I need to obtain one of
those permits that used to be called a Tuna permit and is now called a
HMS
permit I think. I called to order one and was told that I can't get one
until my federal documentation paperwork is finished...a process that the
broker told me could take 6 months! I can't believe this is true. I
mean...I pay 160K for a boat and can't fish on it for 6 months because I
need to obtain a 22 dollar permit that they won't issue until they get
around to finishing my paperwork!

Is this really true? I've fished all of my life, but this is the first
boat
I've owned. I really wonder if the number they need is simply the Hull
Identification Number...which isn't going to change, or will I be issued
a
documentation number when the process is complete and that's what they
need
to issue the HMS permit?

Anyone have any ideas?

Your broker will give you temporary documentation to operate the boat
(the same documentation that you use to insure the boat) and that is
what you use to call for the permit. That temporary documentation has
the hull ID and is notarized I believe.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:23:27 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

That's what I thought. I have the temporary documentation, but when I
called to obtain the permit, they say that they can't use the temp number.
I wonder if the girl on the phone knew what she was talking about.

I just went and looked - there is nothing about having to have a
permanent registration. As long as there is a hull number and you
have the correct documentation, there's nothing to stop you from
getting the permit.

Make sure you are asking for the recreational permit.

Later,

Tom

OK...Thanks Tom!

I'll try again tomorrow when they open. Maybe I'll try it online. When it
asks for the "Coast Guard Documentation", what do I put there? The Hull
Identification Number?

Thanks again!

Gary


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:23:27 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

That's what I thought. I have the temporary documentation, but when I
called to obtain the permit, they say that they can't use the temp
number.
I wonder if the girl on the phone knew what she was talking about.

I just went and looked - there is nothing about having to have a
permanent registration. As long as there is a hull number and you
have the correct documentation, there's nothing to stop you from
getting the permit.

Make sure you are asking for the recreational permit.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:37:30 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

OK...Thanks Tom!

I'll try again tomorrow when they open. Maybe I'll try it online. When it
asks for the "Coast Guard Documentation", what do I put there? The Hull
Identification Number?

That or the Temporary Documentation Registration number.

At the very least, I would go one level above a clerk if you do it
that way.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

hmmmmmmmm

I tried to obtain one online tonight. I tried entering the hull number, but
it was too many characters.

I tried entering the temporary number...actually, I don't have anything
called a temporary number...just an "Official Number" that is on the "letter
that confirms that this office is in the process of applying for
Documentation of the above referenced vessel for it's owner(s)."

It said that the vessel already had a permit...which it doesn't. I also
went to the page where it will allow you to look up info with a permit
number, but the permit number wasn't found in the system. I guess I'll have
to call tomorrow again. Sigh.... I know I'm gonna get the run around too.
This can't be uncommon. People buy boats every day. Don't people that buy
fishing boats normally want to FISH on them when they buy them? I can't
believe that there is not some system in place better than this. I'm really
frustrated!

Thanks for the help though Tom! If I get anywhere, I'll keep ya posted.

Gary


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:37:30 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

OK...Thanks Tom!

I'll try again tomorrow when they open. Maybe I'll try it online. When
it
asks for the "Coast Guard Documentation", what do I put there? The Hull
Identification Number?

That or the Temporary Documentation Registration number.

At the very least, I would go one level above a clerk if you do it
that way.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:26:23 GMT, "Gary"
wrote:

hmmmmmmmm

I tried to obtain one online tonight. I tried entering the hull number, but
it was too many characters.

I tried entering the temporary number...actually, I don't have anything
called a temporary number...just an "Official Number" that is on the "letter
that confirms that this office is in the process of applying for
Documentation of the above referenced vessel for it's owner(s)."

It said that the vessel already had a permit...which it doesn't. I also
went to the page where it will allow you to look up info with a permit
number, but the permit number wasn't found in the system. I guess I'll have
to call tomorrow again. Sigh.... I know I'm gonna get the run around too.
This can't be uncommon. People buy boats every day. Don't people that buy
fishing boats normally want to FISH on them when they buy them? I can't
believe that there is not some system in place better than this. I'm really
frustrated!

Thanks for the help though Tom! If I get anywhere, I'll keep ya posted.

Please do. I'm curious about this.

I wouldn't settle with a clerk though - take it up the chain for a
little and see how it works.

Later,

Tom