as a bit
of support, please post the statue requiring anything other than all
chain rode....

the law of the land requires *you* to act as "a reasonable man" would (that is
the legal definition used by the courts). no reasonable man would chain a boat
to a dock. no reasonable man would chain a boat to a rock on shore. no
reasonable man would chain his boat to a rock under water.

therefore any reasonable man who chains his boat to an anchor underwater knews
ahead of time the anchor will pull loose, and should his negligent actions
injure someone the reasonable man knows he will go to jail.

ask an attorney to explain to you what happens when you drive a car drunk
(something no reasonable man does) and injure someone.

you deserve to do hard jail time.

btw, admiralty courts would be absolutely certain to understand the all
chain
issue, for every last merchant marine out there understands it, and
understands
it well.


No doubt.... ROFLMAO. Citations? Of course not.

ask any merchant marine.

Ok, for arguments sake, I'll stipulate the 12 YO...... what is it you
studied....

some science stuff.

post High School???

yes, of course. Also studied some science stuff in high school (was a National
Science Foundation Summer Fellow summer after my junior year), but studied
rather a bit more science stuff after high school.

Where did you graduate?

A very big school. In fact, one of the largest in the country.

Did you?

of course.

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:11:50 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:
During Ivan I was at a dock with a passel of lines spider-webbing my boat in
place. Post-storm when I returned to the (safely tied up and undamaged)
vessel my chafe gear on the lines that took the predominant load from the
east winds was severely damaged. For chafe gear I use cut-up fire hose -
arguably the toughest stuff around for that purpose.

=============================================

Did you use anchors to spring the boat away from the dock pilings?
Boats rubbing against pilings, or worse yet, riding over a piling top,
seem to be one of the main sources of damage for boats that did not
break loose.

No.

There was no point where I was - I was able to secure the boat away from the
pilings, and if the surge had lifted the lines off, I was screwed anyway.

Its all situational... sometimes you do one thing, sometimes something else,
depending on where you are and which way you think the winds are going to
come from..... (or multiple directions depending on what quadrant is going
to "get" you)

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In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


For chafe gear I use cut-up fire hose -
arguably the toughest stuff around for that purpose.


even tougher is wormng, then parcelling with sailcloth then serving with
Spectra fishing line. Put it inside the fire hose if you want a belts and
suspenders approach.

Use braided line instead of three-strand and you have less stretch through the
chock, and you save the worming. Braided line should be used only as a safety
line rolling hitched on to the three-strand, and braided doesn't stretch enough
for max protection.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

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Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

JAXAshby wrote:

btw, I joined Mensa in 1968, because I hoped to meet a belly dancer
named
"Morocco".

Not even close to being an adequate reason. Come to think of it, there is
NO good reason to do that.

Can you tell me where the law is that prohibits an all chain rode?


any and every time it is used when it is dangerous, as "a reasonable man" would
understand it.

that means, little boy, under most conditions where the winds might get over 18
knots and someone might be hurt and/or property damaged by the boat of the
negligent owner's stew ped actions.

Can you cite *ANY* instance *EVER* where use of an all chain rode was
considered a criminal (or civil) offense?


all-chain rode has been in use just few years, since baby-boomers started
getting fat and too weak to lift anchors, and well-off financially due to
housing price increases. prior to that (when 45 feet was considered
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaay too big for a cruiser
to handle, and 35 feet was considered too big to handle except by athletic
men), nylon rode with short chain and LARGE anchors were the norm.

I still remember seeing pictures from years ago of the stew ped boat owner who
chained his boat to his anchor (believing a steel-decked, steel boat was tough
enough to handle anything) with it mooring bit ripped from the deck by wave
action.

getting fat, are ya junnie?

btw, I joined Mensa in 1968, because I hoped to meet a belly dancer
named
"Morocco".

Not even close to being an adequate reason. Come to think of it, there is
NO good reason to do that.


heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, I was young and foolish, and Rocky did indeed look
exceptional fine.

too bad I didn't know what her personality was like. Someone later told me she
was lined up against a wall to be shot as a 4 year old by Nazi soldiers (she is
Gypsy) only to be saved at the very last instant. I still didn't want to, and
do not want to, ever be anywhere near her. I had my fill in less than 60
seconds.