"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:16:06 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:04:46 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


2) The average Bush supporter saw what's-his-name from PBS and decided
the
debate was moderated by a socialist (whatever that is), and not worth
watching.


Not too far off. Check out this article:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/223850.shtml

The author does make some good points. Lerher was asking questions
designed to
show administration faults.

So? As your president said (about 18,000 times last night), "it's hard
work". We're talking about the POTUS, not the person who works the soft ice
cream machine at McDonald's. If your boy can't stand the heat, he doesn't
belong in the kitchen. Every CEO has to defend his or her decisions from
time to time.

"thunder" wrote in message
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Not too far off. Check out this article:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/223850.shtml

Bush supporters bitching about Jim Lehrer being the moderator
is as as stupid as those in the Kerry camp bitching about those
timing lights. They negotiated all the details - now they have to
live with their choices. If they can't negotiate the rules of a debate
how can they run the country??

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:54:50 -0400, JohnH wrote:


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/223850.shtml

The author does make some good points. Lerher was asking questions
designed to show administration faults.

John, no amount of spin can put Bush's poor performance on Lehrer. Bush
has done well in his previous debates mainly for one reason, he had no
record and could play the outsider. Now he has a record, and it is his to
defend.

Thunder,

The debates are designed to sway those on the fence, and you are correct, if
Kerry looks presidential and strong in all 3 debates, and Bush looks as weak
and flustered as much as he did in the in this debate, it will probably help
Kerry gain the majority of the swing votes in the key states.

I sure hope Bush never says "It is a hard job" again, damn what the hell was
he trying to say with that line of crap.

Harry said something about Bush's talking points only lasted 20 min and I
would have to agree with him. Kerry seemed apprehensive in the first 10
min. and I thought Bush was doing a better job than Kerry, but after Bush
repeated the same lines 3 times it was all down hill from there. Kerry
might have said the same thing over and over again, but he said it
differently every time.

While the online surveys show Kerry ahead by 70% to 30%, but ABC's
scientific poll showed the following:

Among a random sample of 531 registered voters who watched the debate, 45
percent called Kerry the winner, 36 percent said it was Bush and 17 percent
called it a tie. It was a clean win for Kerry: Independents by a 20-point
margin said he prevailed.

Moreover, while 70 percent of Bush's supporters said Bush was the winner,
considerably more Kerry supporters - 89 percent - said their man won.


Who Won? (Among Debate Viewers)
Kerry 45%
Bush 36
Tie 17


As is customary, the debate did not immediately change many minds. Bush's
support was 50 percent among viewers before the debate, and 51 percent after
it; Kerry's, 46 percent before, 47 percent after. Ralph Nader had 1 percent
before and a tad less than that after.


Vote Preference Among Debate Viewers
Before the debate After the debate
Bush 50% 51
Kerry 46 47
Nader 1 0.5


This kind of outcome is typical in presidential debates, which tend to
reinforce viewers' preferences rather than change them. But the debates - an
essential window on the candidates' styles as well as their substance - can
affect the race more subtly as voters move toward their final judgments.

The results of this survey are not among all registered or likely voters;
instead they are among registered voters who watched the debate Thursday
night. They are, however, similar to the race overall, 51 percent to 45
percent among likely voters in an ABC News/Washington Post poll earlier this
week.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...ll_040930.html



"thunder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:35:20 +0000, Taco Heaven wrote:

Bush completely blew it, but according to CNN the polls do not show the
debate changed anyone's mind.

It's way too early to say but . . . for many, this was their first real
look at Kerry. It may take some time to sink in. If Kerry hadn't made a
good showing, he was done for. I'm not so sure the same can be said of
Bush. Reagan did very poorly in his first debate with Mondale, but
devastated him in the second. This race is far from over, but Kerry's
showing can not hurt him. On the other hand, another poor showing by Bush
and he may be Crawford bound.

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:13 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


Is it any wonder the online and non scientific polls are that way..

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...w=wn_tophead_1

John,
O'Reilly is by no means balanced. Like most media pundits, he is very
biased. While all news agencies and reporters are biased, O'Reilly is not
effective in hiding his bias.


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:14:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:16:06 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:04:46 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


2) The average Bush supporter saw what's-his-name from PBS and
decided
the
debate was moderated by a socialist (whatever that is), and not worth
watching.


Not too far off. Check out this article:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/223850.shtml

The author does make some good points. Lerher was asking questions
designed to
show administration faults.

So? As your president said (about 18,000 times last night), "it's hard
work". We're talking about the POTUS, not the person who works the soft
ice
cream machine at McDonald's. If your boy can't stand the heat, he doesn't
belong in the kitchen. Every CEO has to defend his or her decisions from
time to time.


It would be nice if some questions had been thrown at the guy wanting to
enter
the kitchen to see if he could stand the heat.

Bush has withstood the heat. Not eloquently, but he's done it. It's a
shame
Kerry doesn't have the balls to go on O'Reilly's show. Then he would get
the
typical heat thrown at the administration, although in a much fairer and
more
balanced manner.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who do binary and those who don't!

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:48:29 -0400, JohnH wrote:


It would be nice if some questions had been thrown at the guy wanting to
enter the kitchen to see if he could stand the heat.

Bush has withstood the heat. Not eloquently, but he's done it. It's a
shame Kerry doesn't have the balls to go on O'Reilly's show. Then he would
get the typical heat thrown at the administration, although in a much
fairer and more balanced manner.

LOL, it's about the only time Bush has felt the heat. In his nearly four
years as President, do you know how many news conferences Bush has given?
Bush doesn't like the heat.

thunder wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:48:29 -0400, JohnH wrote:


It would be nice if some questions had been thrown at the guy wanting to
enter the kitchen to see if he could stand the heat.

Bush has withstood the heat. Not eloquently, but he's done it. It's a
shame Kerry doesn't have the balls to go on O'Reilly's show. Then he would
get the typical heat thrown at the administration, although in a much
fairer and more balanced manner.

LOL, it's about the only time Bush has felt the heat. In his nearly four
years as President, do you know how many news conferences Bush has given?
Bush doesn't like the heat.

Just saw a clip of Bush on tv talking about the next debate...

He said, referring to Kerry...

"Looking forward to the next debate, on domestic issues. Kerry's going
to run up your taxes...I won't."

Yes, we sure want to see Bush defend his abysmal record on the economy,
on health care, on the outsourcing of jobs and the tax benefits
available to companies who do that...





--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:04:34 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:Mmd7d.150078$MQ5.27967@attbi_s52...
Very interesting, that may explain the difference. I could not find
anything similar in the rnc.org web site.

Of course not.....the RNC is not in panick mode like the DNC

Perhaps it wasn't panic mode before last night, but ...

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...w=wn_tophead_1

"JohnH" wrote in message
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The author does make some good points. Lerher was asking questions
designed to
show administration faults.

So? As your president said (about 18,000 times last night), "it's hard
work". We're talking about the POTUS, not the person who works the soft
ice
cream machine at McDonald's. If your boy can't stand the heat, he doesn't
belong in the kitchen. Every CEO has to defend his or her decisions from
time to time.


It would be nice if some questions had been thrown at the guy wanting to
enter
the kitchen to see if he could stand the heat.

Bush has withstood the heat. Not eloquently, but he's done it. It's a
shame
Kerry doesn't have the balls to go on O'Reilly's show. Then he would get
the
typical heat thrown at the administration, although in a much fairer and
more
balanced manner.

John H

They'll both 2-3 more chances with other moderators.