Gould 0738 wrote:


Nobody is responsible for Harry except Harry.

Nope, you're implicated also as a sycophant.

Stop being the apologist for this asshole. It makes you an asshole also.

-- Charlie


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Gould 0738 wrote:

Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down under"
something.

No one compares to your left-wing hate-monger krause.

Why is it that you liberals are such hypocrites?


When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?

Are you serious?

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88 says...

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam. As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why? Could it be because they
can't come up wit a way to put a negative spin on it?

Wow John, couldn't wait to post this could you?

I've been reading various news sources and really didn't think of
rec.boats this morning. Now that I'm here, I'm happy to comment, as you
would expect.

I'm very pleased that scum bag is out of circulation. I'm surprised
they took him alive and even more surprised they didn't clean him up to
make him look like the leader of the insurgents. I admit that's pretty
cynical but I expect this administration to play a crooked hand.

While I could hope this slows down the conflict I expect it'll only
reinforce the anti-American sentiment in the region.

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is. They're happy
that he's caught but ****ed it wasn't Iraqis who caught him. They hate
Bush and, like us liberals, don't want to see anything that causes his
rise in popularity.

They're as aware of the political implications as we are. I expect that
may be a catalyst for increased resistance.

Truth be told, I thought if the US got his hands on Saddam that this
admin. would keep him under wraps until October of 2004. I guess Karl
Rove wasn't making the call.

jps

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.

LOL!

Time will tell.

What bothers me is those who seem to *want* an escallation of the conflict
and more dead soldiers to nibble at Bush's aproval ratings. There are
plenty of ways to oppose Bush without counting dead troops like trophies.

-W


"jps" wrote in message

While I could hope this slows down the conflict I expect it'll only
reinforce the anti-American sentiment in the region.

WaIIy wrote:

On 14 Dec 2003 18:19:07 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down under"
something.

"some broad" Nice turn of a phrase. Your respect for women is right
along with your partner in hate. The KrauseBot © learns well.

Karen Smith gets all the respect she deserves.


The difference between your perspective and mine is very simple. I believe you
have every right in the world to hold your opinions, (wrong as they are), and I
do not consider your obviously defective opinion (insert grin here) any sort of
threat to my own.

When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?

Duh, I think you can figure out that answer all by yourself.


. Your screwed up perspective is
that you, only you, and those who think exactly like you have the only valid
opinions about how our society should run and what direction national
policies
should take.

LOL

You leftists are the only "true word", we all know that by now.

Worry not, Wally. No one on the left wants to usurp your position as the
only true dumbfoch in rec.boats.



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Clams Canino wrote:

Time will tell.

What bothers me is those who seem to *want* an escallation of the conflict
and more dead soldiers to nibble at Bush's aproval ratings. There are
plenty of ways to oppose Bush without counting dead troops like trophies.

-W

Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?

I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.














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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?

Any Bush detractor with a "beat Bush at any and all costs" mentality.


I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.

Only time will tell on that one. The costs will have to weighed out against
the benifits. I'm afraid only after it's all over can we assess it properly.
In light of any gains or losses made. It's hard to play armchair quarterback
mid-game.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.

I don't know what he has or hasn't directed. I think capturing him has to
be a hell of a demotivator for his supporters though.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?

See above.... though I think at first there might be an escallation by
****ed off Saddam followers. But the head of the (that) snake is gone.

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?

No... I think there are more forces at play than just Baathists. I hope they
will slow up a bit.

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?

No. Unless he divulges any intelligence - if he has any.

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?

Given the fact that the new Iraqi Govt. will take power in late June - I
can't see how the trial *won't* be in the summer or fall. I'm sure Bush
would *like* to see Saddam hang the on the eve of balloting though. That's
politics as usual.

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.

Tough call. On one hand it could cause a "rally round the flag and the
Prez" mentality. On the other hand it could look like a big failure of Tom
Ridge and his boss. I'm hoping that *if* it happens again we begin a close
investigation and screening of all Middle Eastern types that have been here
for 10 years or less.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.

I'm not sure how to run the trial "improperly"? I mean, his past crimes
against humanity are public and notorious already. I could think of a few
hundred thousand reasons to hang him. I just hope we get all the intel we
can *out* of him before he's tried and hung. It's important that any trial
held has all the trappings of fairness though. And it's important that it be
run by Iraq or the UN. And IMHO the death penalty is important here to give
real closure. As for the fundie terrorists - no, little impact. Only upside
is that they have US targets over there to strike at. I'd rather they
strike at armed US warriors than airline passengers and businessment.

-W

Clams Canino wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?

Any Bush detractor with a "beat Bush at any and all costs" mentality.

Absurd. I want Bush beaten, and beaten badly, but I don't want to see
any more people killed in Iraq, on either side.




I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.

Only time will tell on that one. The costs will have to weighed out against
the benifits. I'm afraid only after it's all over can we assess it properly.
In light of any gains or losses made. It's hard to play armchair quarterback
mid-game.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.

I don't know what he has or hasn't directed. I think capturing him has to
be a hell of a demotivator for his supporters though.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?

See above.... though I think at first there might be an escallation by
****ed off Saddam followers. But the head of the (that) snake is gone.

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?

No... I think there are more forces at play than just Baathists. I hope they
will slow up a bit.

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?

No. Unless he divulges any intelligence - if he has any.

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?

Given the fact that the new Iraqi Govt. will take power in late June - I
can't see how the trial *won't* be in the summer or fall. I'm sure Bush
would *like* to see Saddam hang the on the eve of balloting though. That's
politics as usual.

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.

Tough call. On one hand it could cause a "rally round the flag and the
Prez" mentality. On the other hand it could look like a big failure of Tom
Ridge and his boss. I'm hoping that *if* it happens again we begin a close
investigation and screening of all Middle Eastern types that have been here
for 10 years or less.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.

I'm not sure how to run the trial "improperly"? I mean, his past crimes
against humanity are public and notorious already. I could think of a few
hundred thousand reasons to hang him. I just hope we get all the intel we
can *out* of him before he's tried and hung. It's important that any trial
held has all the trappings of fairness though. And it's important that it be
run by Iraq or the UN. And IMHO the death penalty is important here to give
real closure. As for the fundie terrorists - no, little impact. Only upside
is that they have US targets over there to strike at. I'd rather they
strike at armed US warriors than airline passengers and businessment.

-W







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On 14 Dec 2003 17:55:10 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Jeees. Where did I make this implication to which you refer?

With your comment that you're "still waiting".... (and the implication that you
are likely waiting in vain)....for any comment from several people, myself
specifically named in the group, expressing any satisfaction that Saddam
Hussein has been brought to ground.

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam.

Nobody is responsible for Harry except Harry.

As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why

Could be because he's still asleep? Or, unlike some of us, doesn't respond to
momentous news by making a bee line for rec.boats?



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jps not making a beeline, come on! If it were bad news, jps would have cut and
pasted a half dozen articles from his favorite newspapers by now!

John
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