P. Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.


"Bob" wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:55:43 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:26:47 -0400, P. Fritz wrote:


And most are temporarily out of work, just the the majjority
that
lack
health insurance...it is a temporary condition, besides, basic
economics
teaches that around 5% unemployment is healthy.......if the labor
poor
shrinks too much further, it leads to a rapid increase in labor
cost,
which can cause rapid inflation.

I'm assuming a typo, that you really wanted to say "labor pool",
but I
find your usage somewhat telling.


Don't you just love it when some crazed conservative proclaims that
unemployment is a good thing, and that being unprotected by health
insurance is only a "temporary" condition?



yeah especially when they deny us health benefits, etc.
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"krj" wrote in message
. ..
P. Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you
look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't
have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.

I agree 100%. And if the employment rate ever hit 100%, inflation
would spiral out of control.....and the liebrals would be the first ones to
scream for the guvmint to do something about it.



"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:55:43 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:26:47 -0400, P. Fritz wrote:


And most are temporarily out of work, just the the
majjority
that
lack
health insurance...it is a temporary condition, besides,
basic
economics
teaches that around 5% unemployment is healthy.......if the
labor
poor
shrinks too much further, it leads to a rapid increase in
labor
cost,
which can cause rapid inflation.

I'm assuming a typo, that you really wanted to say "labor
pool",
but I
find your usage somewhat telling.


Don't you just love it when some crazed conservative proclaims
that
unemployment is a good thing, and that being unprotected by
health
insurance is only a "temporary" condition?



yeah especially when they deny us health benefits, etc.
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Harry Krause wrote:

krj wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.



If we cannot re-establish a compact between corporations and workers,
the best thing to do is **** the shareholders. A man or woman's hours,
days, weeks, months, and years of labor are worth as much as anyone's
money.
There is no "compact" between corporations and workers. That may have
been true 30 years ago, but not now. Workers are the "disposable dipers"
of the corporations. Companies expect todays workers to move on after
2-3 years and as a result of the lack of loyaltity to the company, the
conpany has no requirement to display loyaltity to the worker. The old
days of working for a company from "cradle to grave" are gone.

Harry Krause wrote:

krj wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


krj wrote:


P. Fritz wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.



If we cannot re-establish a compact between corporations and workers,
the best thing to do is **** the shareholders. A man or woman's hours,
days, weeks, months, and years of labor are worth as much as anyone's
money.

There is no "compact" between corporations and workers. That may have
been true 30 years ago, but not now. Workers are the "disposable dipers"
of the corporations. Companies expect todays workers to move on after
2-3 years and as a result of the lack of loyaltity to the company, the
conpany has no requirement to display loyaltity to the worker. The old
days of working for a company from "cradle to grave" are gone.



Well, then, I guess the answer for workers is to screw the company at
every opportunity, take what you can get, and then move on to the next
company. Turnabout is fair play, eh?

Actually, it is a bit beyond that. There are some companies in metro
Washington, where unemployment isn't high, that cannot attact workers,
period. They have reputations as the kinds of companies you
describe...and now they are going nowhere because they can't attract a
decent workforce. Perhaps they'll go belly up soon, and their
shareholders will suffer the financial fate they so deserve.

Actually I think it was the baby boomer worker attitude that precipated
the company disregard for the worker. I was a manager for many years and
saw quite a few workers come in, get trained at company expense for
high skill jobs, then move on after 2-3 years because they could expect
an average yearly increase of 5-8% and could jump to another company
(with their training) and get 15-25% increase. then do it again in
another 2-3 years.

Harry Krause wrote:


If we cannot re-establish a compact between corporations and workers,
the best thing to do is **** the shareholders. A man or woman's hours,
days, weeks, months, and years of labor are worth as much as anyone's
money.



A man or woman's labor are certainly of worth, but loyalty is a two way
street.

Our work culture has changed whereby current employment is regarded by
many as a stepping stone in one's career, rather than *being* a career.
Personal achievement or growth has become more important than being a
contributing member of a team. I know in the business I ran, this was
the biggest "people" problem we had to deal with and we were quick to
weed out those that could not grasp the team concept.

A secret to success is to make yourself valuable and that value usually
increases in time.

Speaking of teams ... Sox up 4-2, top of the 4th.

Eisboch

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:44:14 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

unfortunately cobra is 300 a month...and what about my friend who has
a terminally ill child and got laid off...what's he do?


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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:54:39 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

i love it...the rednecks think being unemployed makes you a socialist.


And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't have
many brain cells connecting.


whatever this means.

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:59 -0400, krj
wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.


and workers are in business to provide for their families. that's why
revolutions start...the idea that businesses have only a
responsibility to themselves.

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:57:43 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


"krj" wrote in message
...
P. Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

There is plenty of reasonable priced insurance out there, if you
look.
The problem is that the socialist crowd feels they are entitled to
everything.

And anybody that thinks that 100% employment would be utopia doesn't
have
many brain cells connecting.

Companies are not in business to provide jobs and benefits. They are in
business to provide a return on investment to their share holders.

I agree 100%. And if the employment rate ever hit 100%, inflation
would spiral out of control.....and the liebrals would be the first ones to
scream for the guvmint to do something about it.


fine. let's get a revolution going, then. we workers are in business
to provide for our families. why should we suffer when management
doesn't? they certainly take care of themselves.







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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:15:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Bob wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:44:14 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Unless your company went bankrupt, use your cobra.

unfortunately cobra is 300 a month...and what about my friend who has
a terminally ill child and got laid off...what's he do?


Republicans don't give a crap about the trials and tribulations of
working Americans.



yeah i love it. they're 'pro life' until it actually costs business
money. then it's social darwinism.

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