Bright and sophisticated on the east and west
coats and the upper midwest, and

Look at the bright side, Harry. If we can liberate a few minds in just a couple
of little states across the northern Rockies, the moderate to liberal blue
states will have the more conservative red states "surrounded." :-)


When the war between the red and blue states erupts, the reds will have the
geographic advantage of being contiguous. The blues will have the advantage of
controlling most of the economy, (between the NE and California).

Or we can just suck it up and go on. The increased Republican majority in
congress and Bush's 3% "landslide mandate" will move America even more to the
right than we have gone in the last four years. Unless
the population follows along, (as it appears
to have done, somewhat, in the last four), our conservative friends and
brothers will appear pretty far out of the mainstream next time the big prize
is up for grabs. The pendulum will swing back toward the middle in '08, it
always does.Take heart. Kerry made a much better showing than Dukakis or
Mondale in similar situations. Remember when Fritz Mondale won Minnesota,
period?

On 03 Nov 2004 18:24:16 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

The pendulum will swing back toward the middle in '08, it
always does.

There's certainly some consolation in seeing Bush have to deal with
the mess he's made. Considering what he did with what he inheritated
the last time, this next four years should be a doozie.

bb

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Bright and sophisticated on the east and west
coats and the upper midwest, and

Look at the bright side, Harry. If we can liberate a few minds in just a
couple
of little states across the northern Rockies, the moderate to liberal blue
states will have the more conservative red states "surrounded." :-)


When the war between the red and blue states erupts, the reds will have
the
geographic advantage of being contiguous. The blues will have the
advantage of
controlling most of the economy, (between the NE and California).

You have no manufacturing. You have no oil supply. And the military backs
our guy 3 to 1. Bring it on!


Or we can just suck it up and go on. The increased Republican majority in
congress and Bush's 3% "landslide mandate" will move America even more to
the
right than we have gone in the last four years. Unless
the population follows along, (as it appears
to have done, somewhat, in the last four), our conservative friends and
brothers will appear pretty far out of the mainstream next time the big
prize
is up for grabs. The pendulum will swing back toward the middle in '08,

Yes, but 2008's "middle" will be far to the right of where the middle is
right now.

Frist may be our "liberal left wing" of our party.

it
always does.Take heart. Kerry made a much better showing than Dukakis or
Mondale in similar situations. Remember when Fritz Mondale won Minnesota,
period?


Dukakis and Mondale didn't have hundreds of millions of dollars helping them
in the form of 527's. They didn't have foreign countries and enemies
operating a propaganda war to have them defeated. They didn't have hundreds
of celebrities campaigning, or hosting free concerts for them. They didn't
have the mainstream news media aiding them with dirty tricks like forged
documents and false missing weapons reports. They didn't have the
bitterness of a hotly-contested election going against their party 4 years
earlier. And they weren't running against an incumbent while World oil
prices were at an all-time high.

Considering all the advantages that Kerry had going for him, I can't believe
he did so poorly.

On 03 Nov 2004 18:24:16 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Bright and sophisticated on the east and west
coats and the upper midwest, and

Look at the bright side, Harry. If we can liberate a few minds in just a couple
of little states across the northern Rockies, the moderate to liberal blue
states will have the more conservative red states "surrounded." :-)


When the war between the red and blue states erupts, the reds will have the
geographic advantage of being contiguous. The blues will have the advantage of
controlling most of the economy, (between the NE and California).

The people with their hands on the button of the economy are not, for
the most part, in your camp. The people who paint your states blue are
all those "defendants" of the social safety net that usually scurry
around in the duller parts of the big cities.


Or we can just suck it up and go on. The increased Republican majority in
congress and Bush's 3% "landslide mandate" will move America even more to the
right than we have gone in the last four years. Unless
the population follows along, (as it appears
to have done, somewhat, in the last four), our conservative friends and
brothers will appear pretty far out of the mainstream next time the big prize
is up for grabs. The pendulum will swing back toward the middle in '08, it
always does.Take heart. Kerry made a much better showing than Dukakis or
Mondale in similar situations. Remember when Fritz Mondale won Minnesota,
period?

The swing will continue Chuck. The formerly sleeping and apathetic
majority is finally waking up and registering their disgust for the
direction this country had been heading in for the past 30 years.
We're sick of political correctness, the propping up of slackers, and
having our traditions challenged because a few people, with a
seriously inflated sense of self worth, become "offended" by them.

Activism used to be the sole bastion of the left. That is also no
longer true. More and more college campuses are seeing conservatives
stand up and fight back against the liberals, by forming clubs and
organizations of their own. Several liberal instructors have been
taken to task for their obvious bias in a venue where objectivity
should preclude personal opinion. The alternative media outlets are
getting the message out, despite the efforts of the biased (And if you
can't see it now after this election) traditional major media outlets
to squash it. It's all part of the rising backlash. To try to demonize
it as "Radical Christian right wingers" seriously underscores just how
little you truly understand of the dynamics of the situation.

This is probably not a good time to be a liberal.

Dave

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:31:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


The people with their hands on the button of the economy are not, for the
most part, in your camp. The people who paint your states blue are all
those "defendants" of the social safety net that usually scurry around in
the duller parts of the big cities.

Perhaps they should be. Historically, the economy does better under a
democrat administration. It's a myth that Republicans are the fiscally
conservative party. Just go back and look at the past several
administrations. Growth in government, Republicans. Deficits,
Republicans.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:32:02 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:


The more extreme you guys become, the prouder I am to be a liberal. There
has never been a better time.

Reminds me of those "Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts" bumper
stickers during Watergate.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:27:57 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:31:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


The people with their hands on the button of the economy are not, for the
most part, in your camp. The people who paint your states blue are all
those "defendants" of the social safety net that usually scurry around in
the duller parts of the big cities.

Perhaps they should be. Historically, the economy does better under a
democrat administration. It's a myth that Republicans are the fiscally
conservative party. Just go back and look at the past several
administrations. Growth in government, Republicans. Deficits,
Republicans.

I'm sure you overlooked the Carter administration somewhere in there.

Actually the state of the economy has little to do with the current
sitting president. The president has about as much effect on the
economy as a water tuber has control on where he goes when behind the
boat. It's more of a wag the dog scenario. The economy goes south.
People (wrongly) blame the sitting president. They elect the
opposition. The economy rebounds and he claims credit.

Dave

On 04 Nov 2004 16:32:02 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

This is probably not a good time to be a liberal.

Dave



The more extreme you guys become, the prouder I am to be a liberal. There has
never been a better time.


And that's the rub. WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
.... WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

You mean like all the Constitutional rights that Ashcroft has given you?
Or the rosy economy that Bush & Cheney have brought in?

DSK

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:18:04 -0500, DSK wrote:


You mean like all the Constitutional rights that Ashcroft has given you?
Or the rosy economy that Bush & Cheney have brought in?

Rumor has it that Ashcroft is out. Perhaps, Guiliani is in.