"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:08:56 -0500, John S wrote:

Um curious too. How big is your boat that you can go out into a 10-12'
swell? That would scare the dickens out of me.

=============================================

As long as they are not steep and breaking you can go in almost any
size boat, you just experience a lot of vertical motion.

If the 12 footer is breaking however, you really can't have a boat big
enough.


If in a carrier a 12' breaking would be ok. Depends on the period of the
swell. If they are short and steep, about 5' is the limit we will go out
in. As then you get a wind causing 3' seas on top of the swell and you
travel about 5 mph and still get wet. When we get big long period, as long
as you are not at the surf or the reefs, is fine. Pillar Point Harbor where
I launch from is home to the famous surfing Maverick's break. We can get
some nice days on the water, with the big swells the cause 50' surf at
Mavericks. And that is not far from the harbor entrance. The entrance is
protected by Colorado Reef, and the swells were breaking big time on the
reef.
Bill

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:50:26 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

As you boating wantabees argued politics. I took the boat out for a day
on
the salt. Opening day of Dungeness Crab season. Normally we get really
nasty weather and lose at least a week of our sport season before the
commercials get to drop their thousands of pots 2 weeks after we do. But
weather was beautiful, but big swell. About an 10-12' swell, but long
period and no wind. Ran 28-30 out to the area where I dropped my first
couple of pots. 70' and then dropped the next 3 at 100'. the 100'
string
had one rock crab, no dungees. The 70' string gave me 8 legal crabs
(limit
10). The people who dumped in 150' of water had to throw back extras as
the
pots were stuffed. I guess the swell moved the crabs out to deeper
water.
Came back to a great party on a friends 34' Luhrs where they boiled up a
bunch of crabs, ate sourdough bread and beverages of choice. Only
drawback
to the day. Had a flat on the trailer, must have been only a couple of
miles from the harbor as did not notice any problem. 3/4 T Chevy diesel
crewcab does pull nice. Tire was ruined, and spare was low on air.
Launched and changed tire and took to service station to fill it up after
crabbing. My pots were not touched but the last couple of years, there
has
been a lot of people poaching from others pots. And they do not even
rebait
after stealing the crabs! So my crab only costs $xxx a pound. Cheaper
to
buy at the store. But was great to be out on the boat.
bill

Where is this?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

SFO area. I launch out of Pillar Point Harbor at Halfmoon Bay, Calif. Home
to Maverick's reef of surfing fame.

"Gordon" wrote in message
...

Where were you crabbing and what is legal size limit. Just curious as
to
how it stacks up with Wash state.
Gordon


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As you boating wantabees argued politics. I took the boat out for a day
on
the salt. Opening day of Dungeness Crab season. Normally we get really
nasty weather and lose at least a week of our sport season before the
commercials get to drop their thousands of pots 2 weeks after we do.
But
weather was beautiful, but big swell. About an 10-12' swell, but long
period and no wind. Ran 28-30 out to the area where I dropped my first
couple of pots. 70' and then dropped the next 3 at 100'. the 100'
string
had one rock crab, no dungees. The 70' string gave me 8 legal crabs
(limit
10). The people who dumped in 150' of water had to throw back extras as
the
pots were stuffed. I guess the swell moved the crabs out to deeper
water.
Came back to a great party on a friends 34' Luhrs where they boiled up a
bunch of crabs, ate sourdough bread and beverages of choice. Only
drawback
to the day. Had a flat on the trailer, must have been only a couple of
miles from the harbor as did not notice any problem. 3/4 T Chevy diesel
crewcab does pull nice. Tire was ruined, and spare was low on air.
Launched and changed tire and took to service station to fill it up
after
crabbing. My pots were not touched but the last couple of years, there
has
been a lot of people poaching from others pots. And they do not even
rebait
after stealing the crabs! So my crab only costs $xxx a pound. Cheaper
to
buy at the store. But was great to be out on the boat.
bill






See reply to Short wave. Limit is 10 on a private boat. 5 3/4" minimum
sport.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:25:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Dungies are only related to king crab in that they are crabs. They taste
better than Kings but are a lot smaller. Minimum size for sport is 5 3/4"
across the back and for commercial 5 1/4. I run a 21' boat. Jetcraft
Bluewater. Is a higher side, pointy front version of the aluminum
whitewater river boats. 351 Ford driving a Kodiak Jetpump. And a Yamaha
T-8 kicker. Alumimum is 0.190 thick.

Just looked them up - that's a neat looking boat.

How does that jet pump do in a short chop - can you set the trim angle
to prevent cavitation?

TTFN,

Tom

"Bodies are for hookers and fat people."
Bender - "Futurama"

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:27:56 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

John,
I rented a 25 foot sailboat just north of San Diego a while back. Now I
was in the Pacific before but that was in a 600 foot helicopter carrier and
the swells aren't so noticeable. Now boating in swells isn't like boating in
a chop, more like boating in rather smooth water but in hilly country. One
minute you have a beautiful hill top view where everything is below you, the
next you're in the valley with nothing but water around you, that part is a
little intimidating. Sure made me want to look around for other boats when I
was on the top. Since the sailboat didn't plow through the swells you just
sort of went with the flow. I'm not so sure how boating in a fast power boat
would differ.
Paul


Paul

Thanks for taking the time to write. I can picture it a little better in my
mind now. I guess I think about the 7 or 8 or more footers we get here on
Lake Erie and just couldn't imagine being out on them.

So I guess they are a little more spread apart and you don't have them
crashing over the bow or stern.

Still has to be a bit diconcerting with water above you in front and back.




Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:10:38 -0500, John S wrote:

Still has to be a bit diconcerting with water above you in front and back.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:25:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Dungies are only related to king crab in that they are crabs. They taste
better than Kings but are a lot smaller. Minimum size for sport is 5
3/4"
across the back and for commercial 5 1/4. I run a 21' boat. Jetcraft
Bluewater. Is a higher side, pointy front version of the aluminum
whitewater river boats. 351 Ford driving a Kodiak Jetpump. And a Yamaha
T-8 kicker. Alumimum is 0.190 thick.

Just looked them up - that's a neat looking boat.

How does that jet pump do in a short chop - can you set the trim angle
to prevent cavitation?

TTFN,

Tom

"Bodies are for hookers and fat people."
Bender - "Futurama"

No trim on the pump. Is what is called as a low pressure pump as opposed to
the Berkeley pumps. The 3 stages of impellers are the same diameter all the
way to the exit. No big necking down. Works better as to reprime if come
out of the water. Short chop, just slow down or get beat to death.

"John S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:27:56 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

John,
I rented a 25 foot sailboat just north of San Diego a while back. Now
I
was in the Pacific before but that was in a 600 foot helicopter carrier
and
the swells aren't so noticeable. Now boating in swells isn't like boating
in
a chop, more like boating in rather smooth water but in hilly country.
One
minute you have a beautiful hill top view where everything is below you,
the
next you're in the valley with nothing but water around you, that part is
a
little intimidating. Sure made me want to look around for other boats
when I
was on the top. Since the sailboat didn't plow through the swells you
just
sort of went with the flow. I'm not so sure how boating in a fast power
boat
would differ.
Paul


Paul

Thanks for taking the time to write. I can picture it a little better in
my
mind now. I guess I think about the 7 or 8 or more footers we get here on
Lake Erie and just couldn't imagine being out on them.

So I guess they are a little more spread apart and you don't have them
crashing over the bow or stern.

Still has to be a bit diconcerting with water above you in front and back.




Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

I grew up in the San Francisco area, so have been going out on the local
Pacific all my life. So, part of it is I grew up seeing tops of swells
above the boat when in the trough. We used to do a lot of fishing in 43'
and 60' converted WW-II boats. Family friend ran a 60' converted air-sea
rescue boat. And out of HMB, the boats were 43' dry stack diesels, that
rode out on buoys, and you got in an Army Duk on the beach to go out to the
boat.
http://www.smharbor.com/pillarpoint/
We had a 23' dual O/B cuddycabin. Funny thing, is we went 40 mph in that
boat with dual Merc 35's and now everybody thinks you need dual 225's. But
that boat was pretty light weight. Wind got under it one time when my buddy
and I were out in it screwing around. Lifted one engine completely out of
the water, we were over so much. Guardian Angel is really good.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:31:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:08:56 -0500, John S wrote:

Um curious too. How big is your boat that you can go out into a 10-12'
swell? That would scare the dickens out of me.

=============================================

As long as they are not steep and breaking you can go in almost any
size boat, you just experience a lot of vertical motion.

If the 12 footer is breaking however, you really can't have a boat big
enough.


If in a carrier a 12' breaking would be ok. Depends on the period of the
swell. If they are short and steep, about 5' is the limit we will go out
in. As then you get a wind causing 3' seas on top of the swell and you
travel about 5 mph and still get wet. When we get big long period, as long
as you are not at the surf or the reefs, is fine. Pillar Point Harbor where
I launch from is home to the famous surfing Maverick's break. We can get
some nice days on the water, with the big swells the cause 50' surf at
Mavericks. And that is not far from the harbor entrance. The entrance is
protected by Colorado Reef, and the swells were breaking big time on the
reef.
Bill


Enjoyed reading your experiences. I had a quick peek at what I think is
Pillar Point Harbor on my mapping program. Is that the area next to the Half
Moon Bay Airport?

If it is, it looks pretty open to the Pacific to me. I would guess the
harbor has some pretty good size waves unless the wind is blowing out of the
NNW.



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

"John S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:31:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:08:56 -0500, John S wrote:

Um curious too. How big is your boat that you can go out into a 10-12'
swell? That would scare the dickens out of me.

=============================================

As long as they are not steep and breaking you can go in almost any
size boat, you just experience a lot of vertical motion.

If the 12 footer is breaking however, you really can't have a boat big
enough.


If in a carrier a 12' breaking would be ok. Depends on the period of the
swell. If they are short and steep, about 5' is the limit we will go out
in. As then you get a wind causing 3' seas on top of the swell and you
travel about 5 mph and still get wet. When we get big long period, as
long
as you are not at the surf or the reefs, is fine. Pillar Point Harbor
where
I launch from is home to the famous surfing Maverick's break. We can get
some nice days on the water, with the big swells the cause 50' surf at
Mavericks. And that is not far from the harbor entrance. The entrance
is
protected by Colorado Reef, and the swells were breaking big time on the
reef.
Bill


Enjoyed reading your experiences. I had a quick peek at what I think is
Pillar Point Harbor on my mapping program. Is that the area next to the
Half
Moon Bay Airport?

If it is, it looks pretty open to the Pacific to me. I would guess the
harbor has some pretty good size waves unless the wind is blowing out of
the
NNW.



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!


BIG WAVES!
http://www.surfpulse.com/contest-mavs1.shtml
http://www.mavsurfer.com/

This is the reef in front of the point that makes the north side of the bay.

http://www.smharbor.com/pillarpoint/ is the harbor website.