Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:29:35 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:04:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Is this where we are heading? Fear of showing a classy movie that
depicts the doggedness and bravery of our soldiers during World War II?


This is nothing more than a case of paranoia. Many TV execs are
nervous following the backlash from the FCC in the wake of that stupid
Janet Jackson stunt. The FCC made no comments about what it would do
for the "Ryan" movie specifically. It's just that the companies are
now more conscious of the consequences of going over the line.

I find it comforting that the gradual erosion of the limits of what we
consider to be material "not meant for TV" has been halted to some
degree.

We were not far from a point where naked people and graphic violence
would have been flashed on prime time TV, where children and other
people would be subject to it.


Oh my gosh! Naked bodies! Breasts, butts, vaginas and penises, just as
God gave them to us. So tell me, Dave, let's say you have a kid, and the
kid takes a bath and sees that she has a vagina and breasts, just like
other girls. Will this be an experience so bizaree she'll need to see a
child psychotherapist?

It's not what they have, it's what they do with it.

Dave



What they do with it?

What do they do with it in your household, Dave?



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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:02:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Who has criticized the networks? Besides jps, that is. You mean to say
that a decent movie about war can be made *without* foul language?

Save those facetious questions for someone else, John. Movies without that
language were made at a point in history when the country was still living a
fairy tale existence. But, they can still be historically accurate in their
own way.


So you feel that when we lived in a time of greater respect, and
consideration for other people, and had better manners, that was
living a "fairy tale" existence?

There is no need to be crude, rude, and abusive. If you can't get your
point across without having to resort to the lowest common
denominator, then I would suggest that you are what you watch.

Dave

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:29:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Can they not be 'historically accurate' without foul language?

The language is irrelevant, John.

It is VERY much relevant. It's the whole point of this issue.


It doesn't matter to the people who claim
to object to it, even though they want you to think otherwise.

And you know this how? Did the animals tell you?

It's a show -nothing else.

A show which kids then use as a gauge to "normal" human behavior.
I would rather my kids think it's cool to be responsible, and have
some decent manners and consideration.

Dave

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:24:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


The FCC is led by a gutless mensch who got his job through political
connections and it shows.

I think Powell plays golf with the same gutless sacks of **** who
emasculated the National Endowment for the Arts.


I knew I liked Powell for some reason......

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:02:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Who has criticized the networks? Besides jps, that is. You mean to say
that a decent movie about war can be made *without* foul language?

Save those facetious questions for someone else, John. Movies without that
language were made at a point in history when the country was still living a
fairy tale existence. But, they can still be historically accurate in their
own way.


So you feel that when we lived in a time of greater respect, and
consideration for other people, and had better manners, that was
living a "fairy tale" existence?

You obviously are not well-read. The language to which you are objecting
has always been in use. All that really has happened is that much of
what is called "censorship" has been eliminated. In days of old, "cuss
words" were kept out of movies because of the censors, not because such
words were not being used in ordinary discourse.


There is no need to be crude, rude, and abusive. If you can't get your
point across without having to resort to the lowest common
denominator, then I would suggest that you are what you watch.

Dave

You are what you watch? Dang. Last night, I watched a DVD of one of my
favorite literary heroes, fellow by the name of Stephen, wander through
the streets of Dublin, and, as I watched, I was reminded of all the
lovely anglo-saxon language in that work of art. Since, according to
you, I am what I watch, from now on, you can call me James...James Joyce.






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to gain ground." -- Thomas Jefferson

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:51:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series. Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time, we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this, I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

Your kid is probably an exception. In my experience, many kids become
like Bevis and Butthead, when it comes to nudity.......

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:51:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series. Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time, we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this, I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

Your kid is probably an exception. In my experience, many kids become
like Bevis and Butthead, when it comes to nudity.......

Dave


Your experience, I would guess, is limited to your household.

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.... Fear is no great respecter of reason.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs, then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on, and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions based on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.



I won't take THAT thought any further at the moment, but you know
what I mean.

We used to have a saying when I was growing up. "those who say the
most, get the least....."

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs, then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on, and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions based on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.

Isn't this interesting? I have a kid with "guiding principles", and it
somehow happened without religion. Remarkable.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:51:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped
by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series.
Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed
to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every
so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time,
we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely
we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this,
I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the
big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those
guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

Your kid is probably an exception. In my experience, many kids become
like Bevis and Butthead, when it comes to nudity.......

Kids always want what you tell them they cannot have. This is why bad
parents and religion turn out so many twisted kids.