noah wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:22:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

Hi,
I know nobody wants to talk boats here, but here goes...

Took Far Cove out today to see if adjusting the stop lever solved the low-rpm
problem. Got just outside the marina, opened it up a bit, and noticed I was
going slower. Long story short: Forward gear is hosed. I ended up backing all
the way back to my slip (fortunately there was absulutely no wind or tide, so I
could crawl).

So, I guess Far Cove has decided for me: it's a New Engine (with Trans) as
soon as I can get it. The dealer (Atomic Four Engine Service) said he will take
the old engine in trade - donno if he wants to see it running. If not, I'll
probably pull the old engine over the holidays so I can get started on
rebuilding the stringers.

So...anybody need a handyman looking for a Few Bux in Vancouver? (I'd sell my
body, but that would only get me about $1.95...)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


$1.95 Canadian? How much is that in real money?
Merry Solstice, Lloyd.

Kudos where kudos are due: Harry, you are the Master at steering On- topic to
Off-topic. I was keeping count, somewhere around 1,500, but then I got bored...

'prop's offered.

Happy Holidays.

Is the Parker in the slings, or is she wet?
Regards,
noah

At least I do it with a gentle smile, Noah. Besides, I was only working
off the line Lloyd offered.

Yo Ho is sitting on her bunk trailer in a locked boat storage lot,
covered in shrink wrap from cabin top to gunnels. I have to pick up the
batteries, which I had yanked from the hold. I tried to do that last
week, but the dealer had just gotten to Yo Ho, even though the boat has
been there for weeks. Strictly first-come, first-served.

I'm now prowling for a deal on a radar set for Yo Ho. I was going to go
with a Furuno 1712 LCD, but there's been a price cut on the 1731 Mark
III, and that's a CRT set. To my eyes, the CRT sets seem to resolve
smaller targets better. But the move definitely is towards LCD radar,
especially LCDs with chartplotters built-in. I still prefer separates,
though.

If you look at this photo:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hak...s+in+Cabin.jpg

you can see that to the right of the chartplotter cover there's a space
for a radar. Though a friend says to pull the Furuno fishfinder off the
cabin roof (to the left of the pilothouse wheel), put *it* in the dash
and stuck the radar screen up where the fishfinder was.

I certainly have time to think about it.

Cheers.



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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:43:09 +0000, noah wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:19:47 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Hi,
I know nobody wants to talk boats here, but here goes...

Took Far Cove out today to see if adjusting the stop lever solved the
low-rpm
problem. Got just outside the marina, opened it up a bit, and noticed I was
going slower. Long story short: Forward gear is hosed.

Sorry to hear it, Lloyd.

I know it's not the same, but I once had an outdrive seize about 8 miles from
the launch. It was a long, lonely, paddle back. I had a lot of time to think
about my obsession with boats; the expense, the work, the aggravation, and the
utter nonsense of it all.


Thanks for the concern.

Actually, it's not really bad news (not like yours - I'll guess you weren't
thinking of replacing the outdrive before it lunched). I was flipping back and
forth between replacing the engine or fixing up the existing one and making do
for a few more years. As I said, the boat made the decision for me.

But you're right: as I was trying to dock the boat using only reverse, then
Once Again pulling the panels off, getting out the tools, adjusting a trouble-
light, peering into the little access holes, I was thinking "I'm tired of this!"

So, I'll visit the bank as soon as it's open and see if they like me enough
to lend me more money, then get the new one ordered and pull the old one. I'm
thinking of various ways to power Far Cove "between engines". I thought of
mounting Near Cove's electric on the stern ladder, but I think it's too far to
the water. Or bolt some temporary engine (electric?) to the propshaft plate...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:22:33 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:


$1.95 Canadian? How much is that in real money? Merry Solstice, Lloyd.

Careful what you say around here, Harry - apparently some people are offended by
non-"standard" holiday greetings...But thank you, and have a great Christmas and
New Year!

And don't worry about our money - it spends just as well (and fast!) as yours
does!

Lloyd

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:56:03 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

I'm now prowling for a deal on a radar set for Yo Ho. I was going to go with a
Furuno 1712 LCD, but there's been a price cut on the 1731 Mark III, and that's
a CRT set. To my eyes, the CRT sets seem to resolve smaller targets better.
But the move definitely is towards LCD radar, especially LCDs with
chartplotters built-in. I still prefer separates, though.

If you look at this photo:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hak...s+in+Cabin.jpg

you can see that to the right of the chartplotter cover there's a space for a
radar. Though a friend says to pull the Furuno fishfinder off the cabin roof
(to the left of the pilothouse wheel), put *it* in the dash and stuck the
radar screen up where the fishfinder was.

I certainly have time to think about it.


Harry, if you check out those rag-boters over at rec.boats.cruising, I've
started several threads on radar. I need one to go to the West Coast this summer
(so: New Engine, New Genoa, New paint, New windows, and New radar - geez, maybe
I should do a Krouse and buy a new boat!)

I'm leaning towards Furuno (1722 if I can afford it, or else the 1623)
because 90% of the commercial boats around here have them, and I have the GP31
GPS and like it's ruggedness (also, might as well be "coordinated"). I'm also
checking out JRC - apparently they used to make the radars for Raytheon until
Raytheon "became" Raymarine.

I also like "separate" units - although my chartplotter will be a program on
my laptop - I still prefer papar charts. One thing the Furuno has (others may as
well, but Furuno mentioned it): it displays the data it gets from the GPS while
in "standby". Sounds like a Good Thing...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - 20yrs old, getting a "Cher"

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:22:33 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:


$1.95 Canadian? How much is that in real money? Merry Solstice, Lloyd.

Careful what you say around here, Harry - apparently some people are offended by
non-"standard" holiday greetings...But thank you, and have a great Christmas and
New Year!

And don't worry about our money - it spends just as well (and fast!) as yours
does!

Lloyd


I hope so. If the stormtrooping Republican BORG keep on trying to
assimilate every one and every thought, many freedom-loving US citizenz
may want to leave for the still-civilized north.

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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:56:03 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

I'm now prowling for a deal on a radar set for Yo Ho. I was going to go with a
Furuno 1712 LCD, but there's been a price cut on the 1731 Mark III, and that's
a CRT set. To my eyes, the CRT sets seem to resolve smaller targets better.
But the move definitely is towards LCD radar, especially LCDs with
chartplotters built-in. I still prefer separates, though.

If you look at this photo:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hak...s+in+Cabin.jpg

you can see that to the right of the chartplotter cover there's a space for a
radar. Though a friend says to pull the Furuno fishfinder off the cabin roof
(to the left of the pilothouse wheel), put *it* in the dash and stuck the
radar screen up where the fishfinder was.

I certainly have time to think about it.


Harry, if you check out those rag-boters over at rec.boats.cruising, I've
started several threads on radar. I need one to go to the West Coast this summer
(so: New Engine, New Genoa, New paint, New windows, and New radar - geez, maybe
I should do a Krouse and buy a new boat!)

Uh, Lloyd...with all those replacements, you *bought* a new boat.



I'm leaning towards Furuno (1722 if I can afford it, or else the 1623)
because 90% of the commercial boats around here have them, and I have the GP31
GPS and like it's ruggedness (also, might as well be "coordinated"). I'm also
checking out JRC - apparently they used to make the radars for Raytheon until
Raytheon "became" Raymarine.

I like the the 1712, which I think is the same radar as teh 1722, sans
the plotter.



I also like "separate" units - although my chartplotter will be a program on
my laptop - I still prefer papar charts. One thing the Furuno has (others may as
well, but Furuno mentioned it): it displays the data it gets from the GPS while
in "standby". Sounds like a Good Thing...

Well, let me say this about that. I have a small chartplotter on Yo Ho,
a Standard Horizon unit, and it works very well, but...and this is the
same "but" with the chartplotter on the 1722 Furuno...the screen is
damned small, compared to any sort of usable chart, and when you zoom in
and out on the chartplotter for detail on where you are and then want to
see detail on where you are going, you'll have an even greater
appreciation for paper charts. The smaller chartplotters, 7" and less in
size, are pretty decent for showing you where you are, but for a
comfortable and familiar nav tool, you really need a much larger screen,
or a chart on a sheet of paper.

I have a C-Map card reader and programmer, and it hooks up to my laptop
via a USB port, My laptop works pretty well on Yo Ho, but...hell, you
can see both sides of Chesapeake Bay's shorelines most days, and if
you've been on the waterway for any number of years, you sorta know
where you are. And at night, well, you need radar. Lotsa traffic.






Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - 20yrs old, getting a "Cher"



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Lloyd,

Joshua Slocum used _oars_ on his 36-footer, Spray, according to a drawing in
the book Sailing Alone Around the World - when there was no wind to dock
under sail!

We have a rule at byc (www.boatdocking.com/BYC) that there is no sailing in
the harbour. It's often flouted by the few keel boats that decline to carry
an engine (fanatical racers who occasionally need to be towed in!), and of
course by the dinghy sailors.

====

Charles T. Low
- remove "UN"
www.boatdocking.com
www.ctlow.ca/Trojan26 - my boat

====

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
Actually, it's not really bad news (not like yours - I'll guess you
weren't
thinking of replacing the outdrive before it lunched). I was flipping back
and
forth between replacing the engine or fixing up the existing one and
making do
for a few more years. As I said, the boat made the decision for me.

But you're right: as I was trying to dock the boat using only reverse,
then
Once Again pulling the panels off, getting out the tools, adjusting a
trouble-
light, peering into the little access holes, I was thinking "I'm tired of
this!"

So, I'll visit the bank as soon as it's open and see if they like me
enough
to lend me more money, then get the new one ordered and pull the old one.
I'm
thinking of various ways to power Far Cove "between engines". I thought of
mounting Near Cove's electric on the stern ladder, but I think it's too
far to
the water. Or bolt some temporary engine (electric?) to the propshaft
plate...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:07:10 +0000, noah wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

So, I'll visit the bank as soon as it's open and see if they like me enough
to lend me more money, then get the new one ordered and pull the old one. I'm
thinking of various ways to power Far Cove "between engines". I thought of
mounting Near Cove's electric on the stern ladder, but I think it's too far to
the water. Or bolt some temporary engine (electric?) to the propshaft plate...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

A good electric would certainly get you out "into the wind", if you have the
battery capacity. Another thought would be a transom adapter for a "used"
kicker. Either way, it'll cost a few bucks, but will get you back on the water.
I prefer the idea of the transom adapter and kicker. It's more versatile, and
upgrade-able, and the "lift" types pull clear of the water.


I do have a "9.9" (some say it's a 15, but if it was 15, I'd have to license
it!) Johnson on the Tin Boat, but it's a short-shaft. Far Cove's transom is a
foot or so out of the water, so the engine would have to mount right at the
bottom of the transom, out of reach from the cockpit. Also, at 36 ft, ANY wave
action and any outboard would be alternately out of the water and submerged.

I was just thinking of the electric to get me around the marina, to the lift,
etc. But...if it is a while before I get the new engine...Hmmm...I still like
the inboard idea, but donno where to get an electric for that (don't want gas -
not set up for safety!)

"Far Cove" Catalina 36

I have often thought about a DC drive for a boat. I believe you can buy a
48V motor, a bunch of 8D's, controller, and a charging system. Should be
able to get out of the slip and back without to much fuss. Don't forget a
genset to charge the batteries while out. Net cost probably about 2-3K for
the electric drive and 5+K for the genset (assuming you do all the work
yourself). Gee, why not buy a diesel inboard or at least a long shaft
outboard.

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:07:10 +0000, noah wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

So, I'll visit the bank as soon as it's open and see if they like me
enough
to lend me more money, then get the new one ordered and pull the old
one. I'm
thinking of various ways to power Far Cove "between engines". I thought
of
mounting Near Cove's electric on the stern ladder, but I think it's too
far to
the water. Or bolt some temporary engine (electric?) to the propshaft
plate...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

A good electric would certainly get you out "into the wind", if you have
the
battery capacity. Another thought would be a transom adapter for a
"used"
kicker. Either way, it'll cost a few bucks, but will get you back on
the water.
I prefer the idea of the transom adapter and kicker. It's more
versatile, and
upgrade-able, and the "lift" types pull clear of the water.


I do have a "9.9" (some say it's a 15, but if it was 15, I'd have to
license
it!) Johnson on the Tin Boat, but it's a short-shaft. Far Cove's transom
is a
foot or so out of the water, so the engine would have to mount right at
the
bottom of the transom, out of reach from the cockpit. Also, at 36 ft, ANY
wave
action and any outboard would be alternately out of the water and
submerged.

I was just thinking of the electric to get me around the marina, to the
lift,
etc. But...if it is a while before I get the new engine...Hmmm...I still
like
the inboard idea, but donno where to get an electric for that (don't want
gas -
not set up for safety!)

"Far Cove" Catalina 36

"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message
...
I have often thought about a DC drive for a boat. I believe you can buy a
48V motor, a bunch of 8D's, controller, and a charging system. Should be
able to get out of the slip and back without to much fuss. Don't forget a
genset to charge the batteries while out. Net cost probably about 2-3K
for
the electric drive and 5+K for the genset (assuming you do all the work
yourself). Gee, why not buy a diesel inboard or at least a long shaft
outboard.

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:07:10 +0000, noah wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:22:10 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

So, I'll visit the bank as soon as it's open and see if they like
me
enough
to lend me more money, then get the new one ordered and pull the old
one. I'm
thinking of various ways to power Far Cove "between engines". I
thought
of
mounting Near Cove's electric on the stern ladder, but I think it's
too
far to
the water. Or bolt some temporary engine (electric?) to the propshaft
plate...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

A good electric would certainly get you out "into the wind", if you
have
the
battery capacity. Another thought would be a transom adapter for a
"used"
kicker. Either way, it'll cost a few bucks, but will get you back on
the water.
I prefer the idea of the transom adapter and kicker. It's more
versatile, and
upgrade-able, and the "lift" types pull clear of the water.


I do have a "9.9" (some say it's a 15, but if it was 15, I'd have to
license
it!) Johnson on the Tin Boat, but it's a short-shaft. Far Cove's transom
is a
foot or so out of the water, so the engine would have to mount right at
the
bottom of the transom, out of reach from the cockpit. Also, at 36 ft,
ANY
wave
action and any outboard would be alternately out of the water and
submerged.

I was just thinking of the electric to get me around the marina, to
the
lift,
etc. But...if it is a while before I get the new engine...Hmmm...I still
like
the inboard idea, but donno where to get an electric for that (don't
want
gas -
not set up for safety!)

"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Some general electric boating links:

http://energy.sourceguides.com/busin...s/eboats.shtml

http://energy.sourceguides.com/busin...boatcomp.shtml

An excellent resource to find all sorts of electric drive components:

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/geobook.html

One of the most interesting items listed are the Solectria 2700 f
Ultracapacitors. These look to be the ideal alternative to lead-acid
batteries. They are a *very* pricey right now but the virtually infinite
lifetime make these a good long term solution. I expect super capacitor
technology to come down in price as usage ramps up.

One of the more popular electric drive motor suppliers:

http://www.kinetekinc.com/companies/....adcmotors.com

Their 9 inch motor is by far the most popular motor found in EV conversions.
Some of their smaller motors may be ideal to power Far Cove.

Some specialized links regarding ultra-efficient use of electric drives:

http://www.engin.umich.edu/solarboat/bdtheory.html

http://www.electricboats.co.uk/keyfactors.html

http://pages.intrstar.net/~brb/

Mark Browne