any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item

Funny, related incident:
I was selling cars in a Chrysler dealership when Lee Iacocca saved the company.

As Chrysler was moving from intensive care to general bed rest, a guy stopped
by the dealership one day and said, "Show me one of these K Cars everybody is
taling about."

We checked out every feature of the car, and the prospect kept saying "I have
to admit, that's not bad, but I'll never buy one of these cars."

After he repeated his statement "I'll never buy one of these cars" a few times,
I had to ask, "Why do you feel that way?"

"Because Lee Iacocca may have saved Chrysler, but he did it on the backs of my
union brothers and sisters, that's why! He made the average working guy take a
pay cut. I have not use for any company that
doesn't hire union help at decent wages."

And with that, he climbed back into his
(Japanese built, pre-factory in the US) Toyota Corolla and drove out into the
night.
:-)

Most people's idealism is as long as a direct line from their mouth to their
wallet. No longer.

Harry,
This I agree with!
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Wal-Mart shares fall on poor holiday sales


Published: November 28 2004 19:25 | Last updated: November 29 2004 16:59

Shares in Wal-Mart fell more than three per cent in New York on Monday,
after the giant discount retailer cut its forecast for November
same-store sales growth to just 0.7 per cent, citing poor performance
over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend.

The world's largest retailer had estimated November year-on-year growth
of 2 to 4 per cent just 10 days ago. But Wal-Mart revised its estimates
down on Saturday evening after disappointing sales on “Black Friday”,
the day after Thanksgiving - so called because it is traditionally the
time retailers move into profit for the year. It is an indicator of
spending for the holiday season, when a quarter of annual retail sales
are rung up.

Wal-Mart said sales had fallen “below plan” in the last week of November
and sales growth was down on the 2.8 per cent annual rate it had
reported for October.



What's bad for Wal-Mart is good for civilization.






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A passing thought:

"Obviously, I pray every day there's less casualty." —George W. Bush,
Fort Hood, Texas, April 11, 2004

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item

Funny, related incident:
I was selling cars in a Chrysler dealership when Lee Iacocca saved the
company.

As Chrysler was moving from intensive care to general bed rest, a guy
stopped
by the dealership one day and said, "Show me one of these K Cars everybody
is
taling about."

We checked out every feature of the car, and the prospect kept saying "I
have
to admit, that's not bad, but I'll never buy one of these cars."

After he repeated his statement "I'll never buy one of these cars" a few
times,
I had to ask, "Why do you feel that way?"

"Because Lee Iacocca may have saved Chrysler, but he did it on the backs
of my
union brothers and sisters, that's why! He made the average working guy
take a
pay cut. I have not use for any company that
doesn't hire union help at decent wages."

And with that, he climbed back into his
(Japanese built, pre-factory in the US) Toyota Corolla and drove out into
the
night.
:-)

Most people's idealism is as long as a direct line from their mouth to
their
wallet. No longer.


There's a car salesman in Maryland telling the exact same story...except the
guy climbed back into his non-union made Toyota Tundra and drove off to the
marina across town to launch his non-union-made Parker boat powered by its
non-union-made Yamaha outboard.

How did Lee Iacocca save Chrysler on the backs of the worker?

I realize I am probably your junior and don't know his strategies as well as
yourself but any restructuring has to be painful in every direction. Look at
the pilots in the airlines now. Come on, the local union guys in my areas
have some pretty ridiculous compensation packages. I could entertain you
with the dozens of fringes each gets but you probably already know. I feel
that is what pulled the trigger for the race off to more friendlier work
force. Just too dam expensive, you drove inflation up far too quickly for an
economic correction to occur. Ya,, I am all for you making a decent, fair,
good, comfortable wage but it has to be market driven and equal to the
surroundings.

Now your blaming Wal-Mart for what you forced.

I think Wal-Mart's success is their present business strategies including
extensive supply chain management, they really just rent space.

The facts are that Lee Iacocca was successful, Wal-Mart is successful, so
try not to let the facts get in the way of your argument.....








"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item

Funny, related incident:
I was selling cars in a Chrysler dealership when Lee Iacocca saved the
company.

As Chrysler was moving from intensive care to general bed rest, a guy
stopped
by the dealership one day and said, "Show me one of these K Cars everybody
is
taling about."

We checked out every feature of the car, and the prospect kept saying "I
have
to admit, that's not bad, but I'll never buy one of these cars."

After he repeated his statement "I'll never buy one of these cars" a few
times,
I had to ask, "Why do you feel that way?"

"Because Lee Iacocca may have saved Chrysler, but he did it on the backs
of my
union brothers and sisters, that's why! He made the average working guy
take a
pay cut. I have not use for any company that
doesn't hire union help at decent wages."

And with that, he climbed back into his
(Japanese built, pre-factory in the US) Toyota Corolla and drove out into
the
night.
:-)

Most people's idealism is as long as a direct line from their mouth to
their
wallet. No longer.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
Harry

See what your union brothers have done to America? I am surprised
actually
that it took you so long to figure out,,,

You can thank yourself and your union brotherhood for what is happening
in
the west but any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item that you
could buy Made in U.S.A. but you don't support your local union
brotherhood
of highly paid flunky monkeys...


Sorry...I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and neither do any of the union people
I know. Never did like the place. But it seems to be your kind of place.

You are too funny!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
Harry

See what your union brothers have done to America? I am surprised
actually
that it took you so long to figure out,,,

You can thank yourself and your union brotherhood for what is happening
in
the west but any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite
union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your
the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item that
you
could buy Made in U.S.A. but you don't support your local union
brotherhood
of highly paid flunky monkeys...


Sorry...I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and neither do any of the union people
I know. Never did like the place. But it seems to be your kind of place.

You are too funny!



Really? Out where I live some few months ago, the locals prevailed upon
the county board to deny Wal-Mart a permit to build one of its monster
stores, and the union members down here, and there are lots of them,
mostly in the more skilled building trades, living in this area, played
a major support role in the activities leading up to and surrounding the
hearings.

You and your union thugs have wittingly contributed to the increased cost of
basic goods needed by the middle and lower wage earners and their families
residing in your county.

Up here in the PRMC we have a Wal-Mart along with several Target stores and
Kohl's, Best Buy and even Kmart. We recognized the service to the community
that stores that provide value perform.

How did Lee Iacocca save Chrysler on the backs of the worker?

I didn't say that he did. Please do try to keep up. I said I met a guy diving a
Japanese built Toyota who told me that he couldn't buy a Chrysler product
because of the was Iacocca treated the unions.

Iacocca was a very shrewd guy. No question. I always admired him.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
Harry

See what your union brothers have done to America? I am surprised
actually
that it took you so long to figure out,,,

You can thank yourself and your union brotherhood for what is
happening
in
the west but any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite
union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your
the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item that
you
could buy Made in U.S.A. but you don't support your local union
brotherhood
of highly paid flunky monkeys...


Sorry...I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and neither do any of the union
people
I know. Never did like the place. But it seems to be your kind of
place.

You are too funny!



Really? Out where I live some few months ago, the locals prevailed upon
the county board to deny Wal-Mart a permit to build one of its monster
stores, and the union members down here, and there are lots of them,
mostly in the more skilled building trades, living in this area, played
a major support role in the activities leading up to and surrounding the
hearings.

You and your union thugs have wittingly contributed to the increased cost
of
basic goods needed by the middle and lower wage earners and their
families
residing in your county.

Up here in the PRMC we have a Wal-Mart along with several Target stores
and
Kohl's, Best Buy and even Kmart. We recognized the service to the
community
that stores that provide value perform.


Wal-Mart is a predatory merchant and employer, and provides no service
to any community. It drives local businesses out of business, underpays
and exploits its employees, and forces many of them to seek public
assistance when they need health care.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" not over-payed, health care and
retirement.

Harry ,, you missed your own point...

Most would agree with you that Wal-Mart should not have even been allowed to
set up its so efficient operations in the west and peddle the China products
as it has done damage to an economy with an already known fate. A known fate
because of you and your local brotherhood. So your barking the wrong story
there Harry, give the credit where credit is due. You are blaming Wal-Mart
for being smart, efficient and profit hungry,, Well, what about your union
brotherhood who are just as vicious, selfish and greedy. You and your union
bro deserve more of the credit for destroying today's economy than these
local box stores.
There was a need for these stores, there was a demand for them, yet there
was not a need for the union to continue on as long as it did or as strong
as it did or as damaging as it did. Unions did their thing and that was good
but they went too far and too long.

I think it is most obvious that non union products are far better value wise
than union made products, especially automobiles, but most products bought
at Wal-Mart (near 85%) are made in China and are cheaper, better quality and
more available than anything made over here.

If you and your unions are so wonderful, then how did you allow this to
happen, do you think the government should have implemented import quotas to
control the influx of offshore products to protect your union jobs again?
Forcing no Wal-Marts and the consumer to pay 3 times the price for a product
so you can have all those ridiculous fringes that you have now that you do
not earn?
Once again there Harry,, you make a pretty good argument but you have a
problem with facts,,,,









"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
Harry

See what your union brothers have done to America? I am surprised
actually
that it took you so long to figure out,,,

You can thank yourself and your union brotherhood for what is
happening
in
the west but any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite
union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but your
the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item that
you
could buy Made in U.S.A. but you don't support your local union
brotherhood
of highly paid flunky monkeys...


Sorry...I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and neither do any of the union
people
I know. Never did like the place. But it seems to be your kind of
place.

You are too funny!



Really? Out where I live some few months ago, the locals prevailed upon
the county board to deny Wal-Mart a permit to build one of its monster
stores, and the union members down here, and there are lots of them,
mostly in the more skilled building trades, living in this area, played
a major support role in the activities leading up to and surrounding the
hearings.

You and your union thugs have wittingly contributed to the increased cost
of
basic goods needed by the middle and lower wage earners and their
families
residing in your county.

Up here in the PRMC we have a Wal-Mart along with several Target stores
and
Kohl's, Best Buy and even Kmart. We recognized the service to the
community
that stores that provide value perform.


Wal-Mart is a predatory merchant and employer, and provides no service
to any community. It drives local businesses out of business, underpays
and exploits its employees, and forces many of them to seek public
assistance when they need health care.



--
A passing thought:

"And if you're interested in the quality of education and you're paying
attention to what you hear at Laclede, why don't you volunteer? Why
don't you mentor a child how to read?" —George W. Bush, St. Louis, Mo.,
Jan. 5, 2004

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tuuk wrote:
Harry

See what your union brothers have done to America? I am surprised
actually
that it took you so long to figure out,,,

You can thank yourself and your union brotherhood for what is
happening
in
the west but any time I am in Wal-Mart I see all kinds of hypocrite
union
people... You all badmouth the capitalist and the freemarket but
your
the
first to flock to these box stores to save ten cents on an item that
you
could buy Made in U.S.A. but you don't support your local union
brotherhood
of highly paid flunky monkeys...


Sorry...I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and neither do any of the union
people
I know. Never did like the place. But it seems to be your kind of
place.

You are too funny!



Really? Out where I live some few months ago, the locals prevailed upon
the county board to deny Wal-Mart a permit to build one of its monster
stores, and the union members down here, and there are lots of them,
mostly in the more skilled building trades, living in this area, played
a major support role in the activities leading up to and surrounding
the
hearings.

You and your union thugs have wittingly contributed to the increased
cost of
basic goods needed by the middle and lower wage earners and their
families
residing in your county.

Up here in the PRMC we have a Wal-Mart along with several Target stores
and
Kohl's, Best Buy and even Kmart. We recognized the service to the
community
that stores that provide value perform.


Wal-Mart is a predatory merchant and employer, and provides no service
to any community. It drives local businesses out of business, underpays
and exploits its employees, and forces many of them to seek public
assistance when they need health care.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" not over-payed, health care
and retirement.

The purpose of a corporation is NOT to provide jobs, healthcare, or to
promote competing businesses,.......something the liebrals routinely forget.