Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:17:23 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

~~ mucho snippage ~~


So here is a blunt question: If one bought an early Ficht 150, what was
the likelyhood that one would have had major problems with the
powerhead? I have heard the big blocks were better, what is the
comparable number for them? And what had the rate dropped to by the
time of the OMC bankruptcy?

I am, just to satisfy my curiousity, trying to understand whether indeed
2 strokes are barely feasable and direct injected two strokes have
fundamental problems that doom any attempt to make them work reliably,
or whether quality problems, whether isolated or pervasive, caused the
appearance of a flaw.

I heard stories of sooting. I heard stories of poor quality assurance
when switching supplies for parts. But I certainly wasn't in the story
flow. So what is your opinion as to the root cause of the problems?


I can answer a couple of these questions for you.

It was the early 150 FICHTs that had the major problems. And those
were corrected eventually. And if you have an early 150 FICHT that
is running, the likely circumstance is that it's been upgraded and is
ok.

Alice in wonderland stuff!!! It's become a religion for those who have
a boat worth nothing because they're unfortunate enough to have a Ficht
on the back, sorta like hostages making friends with the kidnappers, in
this case you are helping lying dealers talk the BS up so they can rip
more unsuspecting people off with their latest consumer funded experiments.


With respect to DI engines - anything you hear about them being
fundamentally flawed by a certain individual on this newsgroup or by
competitive dealers is strictly personal opinion and unfounded in the
real world. DI is the way to go with two strokes. I am also
impressed by the E-TEC engines - my new boat will have E-TECS.


Well I guess you can say that Tom so I guess as a rejoinder I'm
entitled to say we told you Ficht & Optimax would fail & we were right
except unlike all the other hangers on we told you up front pre the
failures in 98-99 & we even explained why in long tedious detail:-)

Before the subject OMC dealer chokes on his latest glossy E-Tec
marketing brochu-) I have to immediately acknowledge I "personally"
make no claim for myself, that this was a collaborative effort the major
players being my blokes, Marcus & Dell. We all disagreed & even had
"spirited" disputes but in the end ......... we all agreed as Alice said
curiouser & curiouser:-)

You need to find just one single verifiable document Tom that predates
ours & then you can criticise but till then I say we have the runs on
the board, here we say hit for 6, I think you'd say slam dunk???:-).
With E-Tec we'll get even more & again well ahead of time:-) This mad
attempt to make an engine piston strong enough just to live through
detonation??? A giggle of huge proportions!!!

I currently own three FICHTs and with one exception, have never had
any major problems and those problems that I did have weren't much
different that any new engine would have - easily and quickly
correctable. That one exception was related to the electronics
(something that almost never happens even on other type engines - a
stator failure which cascaded into the computer) and not the power
head.



You have no clue what the "major" problem was all you know is what the
dealer chose to tell you or what he parrots from "tech training". But
hey why are you even happy??? you did worse than the head of OMC
admitted???? he only admitted a failure rate of 1 in 5, you sadly got 1
in 3:-)

Gee the major spruiker of Ficht in this NG is a Florida dealer (you
know Tom sun & sand, all year season???) he painted himself as knowing
all there was to know about Ficht & when we immediately saw that Ficht
"couldn't" work because of poor atomisation, lean mixtures at power &
multiple spark firing, he of course personally abused me as only a
spammer can when their sell sell sell line is challenged.

Eventually we showed him how it worked by displaying the Ficht patents
to him then & only then we finally got him to actually measure inside a
Ficht injector because he'd been "taught" at tech training that the
Ficht injector was a solenoid driven piston in a bore!!!:-) huge lie!!!
He actually didn't even know how it worked!!! Even after he found it had
to operate as we had advised that didn't stop him, he continued with the
sell sell sell spam even as people who had fallen for it were suffering
the consequences.

So when the Fichts really started to fail, just as we had "pre"
predicted!! guess what this spammer claimed he'd "never" even seen a
failed Ficht!!! at this time people were putting ani Ficht billboard up
in Texas:-)

Worse much worse in my view, when OMC went under, taking 1.3Bil that's
Bil Tom of union retirees money becasue hey OMC were fully unionised so
the funds just gave them other eople's money!!! (a whole seperate
scandal), 7000 workers got chucked but clearly still not the right
ones:-) & endless boaters were left hanging with faulty motors &
worthless boats, then just like all the other spamming NG OMC dealers he
ran away!!!! & didn't even respond to specific pleas for help from
people who had been conned into buying them.

As to soot - use a good grade gas, make sure you use stabilizer and
use the FICHT oil instead of a industry standard brand. Haven't had
any soot problems yet. I did have on one, but I was using el cheapo
gas on the way to the launch. Switched over and no more problem.

You are being dealer conned; the so called "soot" buildup is because
the lean mixtures make excessive heat which bakes the tiny amounts of oil.

They've blamed every thing & everyone but the truth is it's the poor
atomisation, being too lean at power, unreliable actual ignition timing
when lean & the very risky oiling. It never was the pistons supplier's
fault, gee wake up Tom, the same pistons worked OK in the carbed
versions of the very same engine indeed most still do, the oil?? give it
up this is BS & then the fuel?? what a hoot:-), every other IC engine in
the biggest using country of IC engines runs fine on something we call
petrol, if Ficht can't then they shouldn't be selling them, oops forgot
the laws of physics saw to it they don't, just as they will with E-tec.



I know several shell fish types (clammers) who have FICHTS with
incredible amounts of hours on them and they are running just fine
thank you very much. :)

So what??? 1 in 5 failed!!!!! well in your case 1 in 3 :-) 4 out of 5
is not good enough!!! 95 out of 100 is still not good enough imagine if
5% of Fords engines failed????

Considering they charge more than the price of a medium sized car, you
know Tom, with wheels, tyres. brakes, auto trans, seats, windscreen
wipers, crash testing, etc etc yet these idiots are trying to rip you
off with a an unglorified lawn mower engine hooked to a problematic
right angle drive???


I am a barely technically literate very satisfied FICHT owner - Bill
can give you the heavy duty technical stuff.

Partly right:-) & a classic target to start sleeping with the
kidnappers, hope you don't start robbing banks with them Tom.

Trying to keep the barbarians from giving you a false impression. :)

Trying to keep the actual same people who spammed Ficht from doing it
all over again:-)


Later,

Tom


K

Krause's lie of the day is a bit of a double header sorry, but so
many lies so little time:-)

Whenever his total lack of any real boating knowledge looks like
uncovering him as the sad little liar he is, he posts some crazy list of
boats he claims are his base, here are just a few of his claims, he has
tried to sustain these lies & as each one is shown to be a fabrication
he just invents a new one, the latest is the "Parker".

Don't feel conned nor stupid if you've been taken in by him, he
make exactly the same lies up in the jet ski NGs when he used to pollute
them with his crap, can you believe it he claimed to be a jet skier!!!!!
(responsible & caring in the socialist way of course:-))

This idiot has never owned a boat & never will he is totally devoid
of any boating experience nor knowledge, other than what he picks up in
this NG & the occasional paid charter fishing trip.



Here are some:



Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe




I own the following boats:


a 36' "lobster" style boat
a 19' center console fishing boat
an 11' inflatable dinghy
1/2 of a canoe


Those are the types of boats I currently own. I'm also in the market for
some interesting kind of lightweight flatbottomed skiff, similar to the
old Skimmar, for the "new" 51-year-old 10 hp outboard I recently bought.


One of the boats is kept on dry land within a half mile of Chesapeake
Bay. One is kept at a private covered boat dock in a little creek off
Chesapeake Bay. One is kept in the backyard of a friend who lives much
closer to the Shenandoah River than I do. And one is kept next to the
36-footer."

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

,,,yet another lamentation about the loss of her job as a fluffer in a
porno palace.


& another admission by Krause that he is a non boating liar seems he
even lies about who is in the killfile:-)


K

Krause's lie of the day is a bit of a double header sorry, but so
many lies so little time:-)

Whenever his total lack of any real boating knowledge looks like
uncovering him as the sad little liar he is, he posts some crazy list of
boats he claims are his base, here are just a few of his claims, he has
tried to sustain these lies & as each one is shown to be a fabrication
he just invents a new one, the latest is the "Parker".

Don't feel conned nor stupid if you've been taken in by him, he
make exactly the same lies up in the jet ski NGs when he used to pollute
them with his crap, can you believe it he claimed to be a jet skier!!!!!
(responsible & caring in the socialist way of course:-))

This idiot has never owned a boat & never will he is totally
devoid of any boating experience nor knowledge, other than what he picks
up in this NG & the occasional paid charter fishing trip.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Here are some:


Indeed, my father was a boat dealer and marina owner for nearly 30
years. For many years running, his dealership sold more Evinrudes than
any other in Connecticut, and, for some years, more than any other
dealer in Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.


Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac- 22 owned by dad
Century Coronado - used one a few times.
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. - dad
bought his new directly

from bill luders

Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering i remember it
well; a trade in.



Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes - dad sold this line
for many years. Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several.
14,15,17 footers -sold this line, too
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat - yep, kept at Milford. Botved Coronet
with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. - my dad was the sole us

distributor for three years, and then a key dealer.

Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) -
yep pretty crap
Alcort Sunfish yep


Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. - correct.


Skimmar brand skiff - my favorite rowboat


Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
another line my father handled


Dyer Dhow


Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass - tough but ugly little
glass runabout


Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. - yep beautiful, canvas covered cedar




Old Town wood and canvas canoe yep. Old Town sailing
canoe...different than above canoe


What did your dad do, Ms, Smith, aside from drink?


More of the "father" lie hey Krause??? don't rush ahead we're getting
the father series soon enough just be patient, I even have the source of
where you got one of the whoppers:-)

K

Krause's lie of the day is a bit of a double header sorry, but so
many lies so little time:-)

Whenever his total lack of any real boating knowledge looks like
uncovering him as the sad little liar he is, he posts some crazy list of
boats he claims are his base, here are just a few of his claims, he has
tried to sustain these lies & as each one is shown to be a fabrication
he just invents a new one, the latest is the "Parker".

Don't feel conned nor stupid if you've been taken in by him, he
make exactly the same lies up in the jet ski NGs when he used to pollute
them with his crap, can you believe it he claimed to be a jet skier!!!!!
(responsible & caring in the socialist way of course:-))

This idiot has never owned a boat & never will he is totally devoid
of any boating experience nor knowledge, other than what he picks up in
this NG & the occasional paid charter fishing trip.



Here are some:



Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe




I own the following boats:


a 36' "lobster" style boat
a 19' center console fishing boat
an 11' inflatable dinghy
1/2 of a canoe


Those are the types of boats I currently own. I'm also in the market for
some interesting kind of lightweight flatbottomed skiff, similar to the
old Skimmar, for the "new" 51-year-old 10 hp outboard I recently bought.


One of the boats is kept on dry land within a half mile of Chesapeake
Bay. One is kept at a private covered boat dock in a little creek off
Chesapeake Bay. One is kept in the backyard of a friend who lives much
closer to the Shenandoah River than I do. And one is kept next to the
36-footer."

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Indeed, my father was a boat dealer and marina owner for nearly 30
years. For many years running, his dealership sold more Evinrudes than
any other in Connecticut, and, for some years, more than any other
dealer in Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.

snip

Don't suppose you kept any of the 'service manuals' for the Evinrudes?
I'd like to have the original factory manual for the 1986 Yachtwin 6hp.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:43:41 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:17:23 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~
Trying to keep the barbarians from giving you a false impression. :)

Trying to keep the actual same people who spammed Ficht from doing it
all over again:-)

Karen, I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I have great appreciation for any opinion you would care to share on
other matters pertaining to boats and engines. You have knowledge to
impart and when you want to, you share good information.

In this area you are nothing more than a loud voice making lots of
noise and no sense. My experience and the experience of others is in
direct contradiction to your constant yammering on the subject of
FICHT and I suspect that it's something personal, not professional.

I just wish you'd knock it off - it's not convincing to anybody who
owns a FICHT and it's only making you look foolish.

All the best.

Live long and prosper,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:43:41 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:17:23 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:


~~ snippage ~~

Trying to keep the barbarians from giving you a false impression. :)

Trying to keep the actual same people who spammed Ficht from doing it
all over again:-)


Karen, I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I have great appreciation for any opinion you would care to share on
other matters pertaining to boats and engines. You have knowledge to
impart and when you want to, you share good information.

In this area you are nothing more than a loud voice making lots of
noise and no sense. My experience and the experience of others is in
direct contradiction to your constant yammering on the subject of
FICHT and I suspect that it's something personal, not professional.

Gee Tom "your experience" is 1 in 3 failed, OMC finally admitted as a
marketing strategy for their latest fix no less:-) that only 1 in 5
failed:-)

So I'd prefer the experience of those I respect along with, the 7000
who got chucked out of work, the 1.3 bil union pensions lost, the loss
of a US icon Co. About the only good to coime of it was a few of the
lying dealers took a bath:-)


I just wish you'd knock it off - it's not convincing to anybody who
owns a FICHT and it's only making you look foolish.

Yes the old dealer line doing "me" a favour by stopping me criticising
faulty products being marketed to the public for testing.

It's all been tried before so I won't "knock it off" & again with E-Tec
remember where , when, the detail of & from who you heard it first:-)


All the best.

Live long and prosper,

Tom

Same to you, but don't get conned again or you'll never see any boat
value again:-)

K

Krause's lie of the day is a bit of a double header sorry, but so
many lies so little time:-)

Whenever his total lack of any real boating knowledge looks like
uncovering him as the sad little liar he is, he posts some crazy list of
boats he claims are his base, here are just a few of his claims, he has
tried to sustain these lies & as each one is shown to be a fabrication
he just invents a new one, the latest is the "Parker".

Don't feel conned nor stupid if you've been taken in by him, he
make exactly the same lies up in the jet ski NGs when he used to pollute
them with his crap, can you believe it he claimed to be a jet skier!!!!!
(responsible & caring in the socialist way of course:-))

This idiot has never owned a boat & never will he is totally devoid
of any boating experience nor knowledge, other than what he picks up in
this NG & the occasional paid charter fishing trip.



Here are some:



Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe




I own the following boats:


a 36' "lobster" style boat
a 19' center console fishing boat
an 11' inflatable dinghy
1/2 of a canoe


Those are the types of boats I currently own. I'm also in the market for
some interesting kind of lightweight flatbottomed skiff, similar to the
old Skimmar, for the "new" 51-year-old 10 hp outboard I recently bought.


One of the boats is kept on dry land within a half mile of Chesapeake
Bay. One is kept at a private covered boat dock in a little creek off
Chesapeake Bay. One is kept in the backyard of a friend who lives much
closer to the Shenandoah River than I do. And one is kept next to the
36-footer."

LOL,,,

krause,,, you sure owned a lot of boats,,, in your dreams,, lol,,,

you can always tell when krause is embarrassed by getting caught in a lie,,
he flings back with ridiculous insults,,, lol,,,, krause,, you are a real
winner,,,

at least when I post about you,,it is exactly what you yourself have said,,,
lol,,,, You know,, about all the lies,, very **** poor family relations for
a family law expert,,, and I like to remind you of the lies you post,,,
lol,,,










"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
K. Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

,,,yet another lamentation about the loss of her job as a fluffer in a
porno palace.



& another admission by Krause that he is a non boating liar seems he
even lies about who is in the killfile:-)


Ahhh, a witty rejoinder from our failed fluffer, a fat, ugly, overweight,
pockmarked broad who claims to have invented a diesel outboatd motor that
isn't manufactured or sold anywhere, and who works as a receptionish at a
failing little boatyard down under.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:03:50 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:43:41 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:17:23 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:


~~ snippage ~~

Trying to keep the barbarians from giving you a false impression. :)

Trying to keep the actual same people who spammed Ficht from doing it
all over again:-)


Karen, I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I have great appreciation for any opinion you would care to share on
other matters pertaining to boats and engines. You have knowledge to
impart and when you want to, you share good information.

In this area you are nothing more than a loud voice making lots of
noise and no sense. My experience and the experience of others is in
direct contradiction to your constant yammering on the subject of
FICHT and I suspect that it's something personal, not professional.

Gee Tom "your experience" is 1 in 3 failed, OMC finally admitted as a
marketing strategy for their latest fix no less:-) that only 1 in 5
failed:-)

One in three failed yes. However it was not a mechanical failure - it
was an electrical failure. You yourself admitted, along with Bill,
that a stator failure is almost unheard of in any outboard engine. The
Bombardier engineers were so interested in it, they paid for the parts
and labor so they could get their hands on the stator and computer to
try and understand what happened. Which they didn't have to do
because it was an OMC engine.

The resulting voltage cascade took out the computer which I would
have expected to have happened - no manufacturer takes the proper
precautions in protecting onboard computers from huge cascade failures
like this. So it was strictly a one-off - very rare, very unusual.

You couldn't be more wrong and the unfortunate thing is that anything
you have to say worthwhile is severely diminished.

Sad really.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:03:50 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:

One in three failed yes. However it was not a mechanical failure




Where did you get the figure 1 in 3 failed?

It was David Jones the then president of OMC that told a news conference
that 1 in 5 1998 25" shaft FICHTS had problems. I reported that quote here
on the newsgroup back then.

Bill Grannis
service manager

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:59:34 GMT, "Billgran"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:03:50 +1100, "K. Smith"
wrote:

One in three failed yes. However it was not a mechanical failure

Where did you get the figure 1 in 3 failed?

It was David Jones the then president of OMC that told a news conference
that 1 in 5 1998 25" shaft FICHTS had problems. I reported that quote here
on the newsgroup back then.

She was citing my particular situation, not the early average of 1 in
5. I own three of these beasts - I had one particularly rare failure
- thus one out of three for me.

My point was that my problem was purely related to electrical problems
and not any other mechanical defect which Karen likes to wail about.
And while I don't have major hours on any of my engines, I know
clammers and bull rakers over in RI who have early 150 FICHTs who have
tons of hours on their motors and like them and rely on them for their
livelihood.

I'm so convinced about BRP's engine technology that ETECS are going on
my new Contender 31 Fisharound (wife made me do it - honest - creature
comforts don't 'cha know). MY other choices were Mercury Verado's or
Yamaha DFI. I think the Verado's are ugly and much to heavy and while
Yamaha makes a good engine, I'm more of a brand loyalist in most
things I do.

If these engines are so bad, you have to wonder why I received six
very respectable offers on my Contender CC this winter - all guys who
have successful charter operations and want a fast, reliable boat for
tuna chasing.

Let's face it Bill, Karen is in a whole 'nother universe on this one.

Later,

Tom